6. Welsh Conservatives Debate; Local Authorities

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 4:53 pm on 27 November 2018.

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Photo of Mike Hedges Mike Hedges Labour 4:53, 27 November 2018

Thank you, Deputy Presiding Officer. Well, can I say, on a positive note, I'm very pleased to hear new people taking an interest in local government and being supportive of local government from the opposition benches? I've only been used to Siân Gwenllian and David Lloyd supporting local government over recent years—so, glad to see other people joining.

Can we look—? [Interruption.] Can we look—? Can I just remind people that it wasn't that many years ago when the Conservatives wanted to cut local government funding? And they still haven't— [Interruption.] And they still haven't decided where they're going to take the money from. If you look at the formula, is the formula perfect? No. But why did it come in? It came in to ensure that authorities were adequately funded through our rate support grant. But that was before the position of business rates was taken, and they were then removed from local government.

What the council needs to spend is calculated in a standard spending assessment, and it's amazing, really, when you look at the league table of standard spending assessments for education and expenditure for education, how very close they are to each other. What causes the amount to go up and down is mainly population change. That is the main driver—