I must say, when I speak to those involved in dealing with the consequences of Government policy and poverty in Wales—the third sector, local authorities, agencies directly providing services—they seem to have a clear understanding that it's the UK Government's austerity agenda that is driving these issues for all of us: Welsh Government, local government, and everybody else that is trying to provide a service or deal with those consequences. 

The committee that I chair, Dirprwy Lywydd, the Equality, Local Government and Communities Committee, has been doing a range of work looking at poverty in Wales since the start of this Assembly. Recently, in fact, we met with the UN special rapporteur, Philip Alston, as part of his visit to the United Kingdom. We found him open, politically neutral and willing to listen. It is very disappointing to hear Conservatives in the UK Government, and indeed here in the Assembly, trying to undermine the role of the rapporteur and the United Nations. I think most people find the United Nations a very august body, doing a very good job with real status and credibility, and a tremendous history. To hear that undermining, attempted undermining, of Professor Philip Alston I think is very unfortunate indeed. He has made a very hard-hitting assessment of UK Government policy and made a clear call for urgent action. We support him on this side of the Assembly, the Labour side, Dirprwy Lywydd, very strongly indeed, because we do believe that major change is needed to end that austerity programme of UK Government, because we're all very conscious of the damage that it's doing and the cumulative impact over the last eight years or so. 

But, of course, we don't ignore the fact that Welsh Government also has a responsibility, and of course we want to see as effective a Welsh Government strategy and set of policies to tackle poverty as we can possibly have. The work of my committee has involved recommending that we need a sharper, clearer focus on tackling poverty here in Wales, Dirprwy Lywydd, with clear targets, indicators, evaluation and monitoring, which makes accountability and scrutiny easier than it currently is, and we want to see progress on that front, and we want to see Welsh Government looking at how necessary improvement might be made. [Interruption.] I give way to Siân Gwenllian.