Group 2: Parental eligibility (Amendments 6, 11, 8, 9, 17, 19, 10, 22, 5)

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 5:22 pm on 5 December 2018.

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Photo of Janet Finch-Saunders Janet Finch-Saunders Conservative 5:22, 5 December 2018

Amendments 11 and 19 have been re-tabled from Stage 2, as we are also disappointed with the Minister's responses about the exclusion of parents who are taking up training for employment from accessing the offer. During Stage 1 of the Bill, there was strong opposition to the limitation of the Bill to working parents only, including concerns about the lack of an evidence base to limit the offer, as well as the exacerbation of achievement gaps and of it lacking in its potential to help prevent children in poverty from falling behind their peers early.

Now, although Plaid Cymru have tabled a very similar amendment, we believe that by limiting this offer to parents who are undertaking training for at least 16 hours a week for at least 10 weeks in an academic year means that Chwarae Teg's concerns about extending it to a universal offer actually run the risk of spreading the offer too thin, and we need to see that addressed. Limiting the hours and weeks would further reduce administrative burdens. The processing of courses that last only several days or weeks would increase the burden of applications. The 10-week rule also allows for courses that run to an academic term to be used. However, we do support Siân Gwenllian's amendment 10, as we would also want to define 'prescribed'.

The Minister's responses so far have just been to repeat the huge array of projects to help parents back into work. However, we remain of the belief that the Welsh Government's insistence on limiting some of these existing projects to parents' postcodes is concerning. While the Minister committed to bring a piece of work to committee on these programmes of support, this does not address the significant gap already present in the provision of free childcare. For example, Flying Start has been criticised by the Children, Young People and Education Committee this year because it misses nearly two-thirds of children who do live in poverty. And how many times do we speak up on behalf of our children in poverty here in this institution? But they are outside very limited Flying Start areas. The Parents, Childcare and Employment programme is also set to end in 2020. Therefore, it will not cover parents seeking help with childcare before the national programme for free childcare is in place.

So, it seems that whilst both the Cabinet Secretary for Education and the Minister have indicated their support for extending the offer, they are not supporting the opportunity to do so through this amendment. Moreover, the early implementer evaluation has noted that 60 per cent of the parents they interviewed said that the offer had provided them with more opportunities for in-work training and learning opportunities. We, therefore, believe that this aspiration should be extended to parents who are actively looking for work through education and training, and I ask all Members to support this amendment.

Temporary exemption periods—amendment 17—again, we've had to retable amendment 17 to highlight our concerns about the reliance of the Minister on the non-statutory administrative scheme to deliver this part of the offer. The amendment covers parents who temporarily drop out of the current eligibility through providing a grace period. We are concerned that despite the calls of the CYPE committee, NASUWT and Chwarae Teg to include this within the Bill, the Minister's responses during Stages 1 and 2 have not been strong enough. By again relegating this incredibly important area to the non-statutory administrative scheme, the National Assembly for Wales does not have the opportunity to debate and discuss how it can operate smoothly on a national basis.

Furthermore, in order to ensure that the pilot areas' provisions are smoothly rolled out on a national basis, parents should be made aware of the Welsh Government's intentions on the face of the Bill. So, Members, please support this amendment.

Finally, on amendment 22—this requires a definition of 'care' to be included within regulations made under section 1. As Suzy Davies will provide more detail about, it is concerning that the Welsh Government has left so much detail outside of the Bill's application, to the extent that some of its sections are rendered actually meaningless. Therefore, we recommend that, at the very least, 'care' is defined clearly within secondary legislation made under the Bill so we know who will benefit from the offer. Thank you.