Group 5: Additional charges and rates of payment (Amendments 13, 21, 32, 33)

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 6:09 pm on 5 December 2018.

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Photo of Huw Irranca-Davies Huw Irranca-Davies Labour 6:09, 5 December 2018

Diolch, Llywydd. Let me say some important things at the outset. First of all, in terms of the £4.50 an hour rate, the majority of providers considered when we got to this rate that that would be an appropriate and adequate hourly rate. In fact, the first year has actually shown that that is considered by providers an appropriate rate to provide childcare and as commercially viable.

Now, we have looked at the option of funding providers at a higher rate to cover some of the additional charges, but let's be frank here, we immediately run into problems and questions about, within the funding envelope, either limiting the offer to fewer parents or to less time—there is a choice to be made. It's been our intention, in designing the offer, to create a childcare offer that offers as much childcare as possible to as many parents as possible within the funding envelope available, and if I could shake that money tree and get the £800 million that we were short over the last decade, then maybe we'd have more to spend on this, and we could do even more again, and we could deal with the earlier suggestions by Siân Gwenllian, and so on. We could do all those things, but we haven't got it.