Diolch, Llywydd. We have re-tabled amendments 24 and 25 from Stage 2 because, while we recognise that the Minister has listened to the committee and stakeholders and included relatives registered as childminders within both regulations and the draft administrative scheme, this is again left to secondary legislation and a non-statutory scheme to determine. As has been made clear within Stage 2, this is not just about the types of provider listed but the registration process.

We agree that childminders should be subject to registration, and we have heard the Minister's reassurance about both schools and grandparents, yet this misses the fundamental point about the current registration process for being a childcare provider. Grandparents are still unable to register with Care Inspectorate Wales if they only look after their own relatives. I have to say, Minister, that when we've met with you, you yourself have said that the ones not taking up the offer have sometimes been those where grandparents look after their children. As PACEY Cymru, the Professional Association for Childcare and Early Years, noted at Stage 1, this leaves out a vast swathe of people who also care for their relatives, leading to concerns about the sustainability of the childcare sector, especially within our rural areas.

This ties in somewhat with our continued concerns about workforce planning, which will be dealt with under amendment 34. The Minister pointed out at Stage 2 that there is no stipulation for relatives to care for other children under the offer. However, this isn't made clear either on the face of the Bill or within the draft administrative scheme. Likewise, the exemption for schools under the Child Minding and Day Care Exceptions (Wales) Order 2010 has the side-effect of preventing the Minister's aim of wraparound care, as schools would have to work in partnership with a registered childminder to provide the childcare element or create a separate legal entity for representatives to register. While we received assurances at Stage 2 and Stage 3 that these will be reviewed, this needs to be made clear during the legislative process. That's why we're here today. The Children, Young People and Education Committee is also still waiting for the results of the call for evidence to review the Child Minding and Day Care Exceptions (Wales) Order 2010, which could ease the registration of both relatives and schools as childcare providers.

It is deeply disappointing that the Minister has issued a call for evidence during the latter stages of the Bill's progress, meaning that we as Assembly Members do not have the ability to scrutinise this evidence before the Bill is passed. This is surely where the processes of the Bill are lacking. We are debating a framework Bill, which the Minister claims is merely technical, but essentially it's delivering part of the childcare offer through HMRC. The Bill was at Stage 1 six months into testing the pilot areas; at Stage 2 before a call for evidence on childcare registration; and at Stage 3 before the first evaluation of early implementers of the offer was published. It does very much feel as though we are going back to this Bill in a year's time when the next evaluation report is published, and the year after, when the national roll-out has begun. That, surely, is not just putting the cart before the horse, but a whole caravan. Pr—. Right. Thank you. I nearly said 'Presiding Officer' then. [Laughter.]