Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 6:12 pm on 22 January 2019.
I thank Mike Hedges for those questions and, again, observations. Sadly, as time has gone on, I could see this 'no deal'. As I say, last summer, at the agricultural shows, I had several conversations because I could just see what was looming, unfortunately. As I say, why would the EU-27 give us a good deal? It's no good blaming the EU. People seem to blame the EU. This is our mess. This is our self-made mess.
I think you're right about public procurement. You heard me say to the previous two speakers that I do feel that that's a big opportunity, and we need to look at how we procure. Tariffs are also incredibly important, and the UK Government has indicated that it's considering trade liberalisation—eliminating tariffs on goods from the EU and the rest of the world as a contingency measure in a 'no deal' scenario. So, you can see why our farmers are so very concerned about that.
In relation to shellfish, you're absolutely right. The majority of shellfish leaves the vessel or the company and within 24 hours, it's delivered, live, somewhere else. So, if it ends up sitting on a port for any time later than that, we're going to have fish mortality. We're going to have ruined fish, and I really am very concerned. I said this morning at the lobby briefing that I am very concerned for the industry if it is a 'no deal'.
A free trade deal with New Zealand is of great concern. As I said, when I met with Vangelis Vitalis, the chief negotiator in New Zealand, he made it very clear to me that it was absolutely the top priority. All our farmers that I speak to are very concerned because, obviously, the Welsh lamb market has been shrinking here in Wales, and they are very concerned about being flooded with cheap lamb.