Diolch, Llywydd. I'd love to thank almost all of the Members for their contributions this afternoon. I'm not going to address UKIP's argument, because most of them made no sense and most of them were not backed up by fact—they were mostly informed by fake news, I think. If they really believe that nationality and ethnicity are linked to offending rates, then I wonder whether they see the historic parallels of such a stance. Your contribution was racist, racist, racist, racist.

I wasn't surprised to hear the Tories attempting to justify their disastrous criminal justice policy, That great line, 'criminality knows no boundaries', is a classic from the Brexit party. Why don't we have a European police force then, European prisons, a European criminal justice system? And, no, we are not opposed to having prisons—we are opposed to having huge prisons, we are opposed to having prison spaces that our country doesn't need. Of course our prison estate needs modernising, but we are arguing for the devolution of the criminal justice system so that we can do prison differently—more rehabilitative, smaller units for those people who have to be there. But overall, our policy aim should be to reduce the prison population and use more community-based sentences that we've all got confidence in. 

Bethan Sayed has outlined exactly what the prison campaign in Baglan was all about. She also put the issue in the context of the wider infrastructure investment priorities. People in Port Talbot have engaged in that debate as to how our criminal justice system should be developed in the future. Now, the whole of Wales needs to engage in this debate. Because what we do know is that when victims of crime are asked what they want, time and time again, they say that they want to stop the offender repeat offending. And what's the best way to do that? More people in prison? No, it's better community rehabilitation, and the research is absolutely clear on that point. 

Jenny Rathbone asked about the reasons behind the high incarceration figures for Wales, and I've explained what Napo's explanation is behind that. But there's no doubt that out higher deprivation levels in Wales have an impact on that as well. 

On the question of votes for prisoners, we're pleased that Labour supports this call. The UK Government has repeatedly failed to fulfil its human rights obligations in this area in line with international standards. We agree with the judgment from the European Court of Human Rights that there is no place for the automatic disenfranchisement of all prisoners. Further consideration can be given as to whether there should be restrictions on this, and I look forward to continuing with the inquiry and considering that point further.

Diolch, Helen Mary, for outlining so clearly the needs of Welsh speakers and the discrimination that women face in the system. We have to change what we do with all offenders, but for women and young people, the matter has reached a point of urgency. I'm of the view that we don't need a women's prison in Wales. We need to take a completely different approach if we want to see different outcomes, and she powerfully made the point that community sentences can be tough. They can be really tough. My experience as a probation officer, seeing clients crying in the room begging to be sent back to prison, is exactly the point that she's made, but it shows how tough community sentences can be. 

Yes, Alun Davies, the system is failing and it is failing badly, and that's why Plaid Cymru has been campaigning for the devolution of the criminal justice system, in its entirety, for decades now. And I welcome the fact that you have come on board. And I welcome the fact that you support the full devolution of the whole of the criminal justice system, because the Government amendment, as you pointed out, has deleted that part of our motion. And I very much hope that those Labour Members who do want to see the criminal justice system devolved in full will vote accordingly today. Let's see. 

It's disappointing, though, that we didn't get an adequate explanation from the Minister as to why they couldn't support us on this point, especially in the light of the contribution made by Alun Davies. It's not a constructive or a helpful amendment, Minister, and I think you should vote it down. 

I welcome, however, what you said on the probation service, and I look forward to discussing that further with you. We have to end the privatisation of unpaid work and group work, as well as one-to-one supervision. I understand that the Ministry of Justice don't want to renationalise those elements, and they want to keep it in private hands, so I hope that you can have some influence on that point. 

It's clear from this debate that most Members accept that the system is failing everyone. We have to be prepared to do things differently, and we can only do that if we have control over the relevant policy levers. We can't keep putting this off.