Diolch, Llywydd. I do welcome the debate on these very important issues. The publication of the Wales Governance Centre report, 'Sentencing and Immediate Custody in Wales', is very timely, building on their earlier report, published in the summer of last year, specifically 'Imprisonment in Wales: A Factfile'. The findings of this report from the governance centre will, of course, assist us in further establishing a clearer picture of the criminal justice system in Wales.

The report has also further highlighted the importance of needing Wales-specific data in understanding justice policy and practice. I discussed that with Dr Robert Jones when I met him following the publication of his report. I commended them—the centre and Robert Jones—for their work and for the ongoing engagement that the governance centre has with the Welsh Government. I took the opportunity also to say I valued the briefing on the important work he's been undertaking, including a briefing for me on the research they're undertaking for the justice commission.

I'd like to comment on the wide range of policy points raised in the motion today. I, too, see the need for a different sort of criminal justice system in Wales that's rooted in rehabilitation and the community, as the motion indicates and as has been expressed today in this Chamber. We need to gain a better understanding of why people end up in prison and what we could do to prevent them from going to prison, often for short sentences, which, as has been said, can have a devastating impact on their lives and the lives of their families and communities.