Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 5:59 pm on 30 January 2019.
I remember my late friend Steffan Lewis saying that if he was a nationalist going into the meetings with the UK Government, well, he was certainly a nationalist coming out of them, because, as the former First Minister said behind me, they were a complete waste of time in terms of many of the inter-governmental discussions.
The point that we’re making in this motion today is that the voice of our national Parliament needs to be heard. Yes, there are inter-governmental discussions that have been taking place on an inadequate basis, but there hasn’t been enough of an emphasis given to the voice of our own national Parliament.
Moving to the second clause, the second clause reiterates the view expressed in the vote in the Assembly recently rejecting a ‘no deal’ outcome, and it also reminds us that this date before us, 29 March, is a result of a huge political error that was made back in 2016 to trigger article 50 and in an unrealistic way. Our party in Westminster did reject that proposition, but we are hoping that, through this vote, we can express the view of our national Parliament that we do now believe that we need to extend article 50 because we need more time. Decisions made under this kind of time pressure are often not very good decisions.
The third clause is the vital one. We come here to the issue of a new public vote, to ask people democratically whether they now like the Brexit set out before them. We say very clearly that we believe that it does appear now that there is no way to come to a sensible outcome that would keep Wales in the single market, for example, or within a customs union, and would make the point that because of the inevitable element, as it appears to us, we need to move at once to prepare, to give the Welsh people a voice in 2019, asking their opinion now as to whether they believe this is for the benefit of Wales.
Point 4 reiterates, as I have already said, the need for further engagement with the devolved legislators.
I’ll move now to our amendment. What is here is an idea. I don’t know whether it’s a perfect idea, but it is an idea about how we can try to express this parliamentary national voice, possibly by having the Welsh Government bring a delegation together to speak in Westminster and Whitehall at a governmental level and at a parliamentary level, to give the Welsh perspective and to give our perspective. Maybe there is further work to be done on that, but I do think it’s a good idea—[Interruption.] Mick Antoniw.