I entirely agree with that point. That could be said for the United Kingdom as a whole of course, that business rates are a property tax that is wholly outdated and bears no relationship to people's income and therefore their ability to pay. Getting from where we are to where we want to be, of course, is not necessarily an easy thing to do, but, nevertheless, I do think that for a country like Wales, which is at the bottom of the table of nations and regions of England, we do need to have some imaginative response from the United Kingdom Government—as well as from the Welsh Government—who do have the levers of economic power in their hands, and it would be possible for them to devise some kind of package for Wales, and not just Wales, but for Scotland, and for other regions in England as well, which gives them a relative advantage, or reduces the relative disadvantage that they've inherited from history.

As Mike Hedges pointed out, Wales lost in its heavy industry lots of jobs that were well paid and were very large employers of labour, and they've not been replaced by anything that could compare with them. Unfortunately, not just because of EU regulations but because—and the UK Government and the Welsh Government enthusiastically accepts this—we have a crazy energy policy in this country where we insist on adding to industry's costs by green taxes and charges, and jobs are exported, particularly in energy-intensive industries, to other parts of the world that are not so concerned about environmental damage, even if you accept the precepts of man-made global warming. Why our steel industry has to put up with this, I have no idea. As I've pointed out many times in the past, what happens in Wales is going to make absolutely no difference whatsoever to carbon dioxide levels around the planet, and yet as the poorest part of the United Kingdom and one of the poorest parts of western Europe, we are a part of the world that can least afford these kinds of indulgences. So, I do—[Interruption.] Well, the facts speak for themselves; I haven't time to go into them now, but I will be making a speech of that kind again before too long, I am sure.

But what the Government has done and plans to do on transport infrastructure, particularly rail infrastructure, I think is a very good thing, and I certainly accept what Mark Reckless said about solving the traffic problems around Newport. If Wales is to make itself a more attractive venue for investment then the ease of getting in and out of Wales is absolutely key. But the overall atmosphere, I think, of Wales has to become more positive and cheerful and enterprise-friendly. There are many statistics that I could quote about Wales's relative inability in recent years to attract entrepreneurs here and businesses and enterprises that are in the industries of the future, which Mike Hedges was talking about earlier on. There are more programmers and coders in the UK than there are in Silicon Valley and San Francisco and so on. So, these, I wholly accept, are the industries of the future. So, I'm afraid the answer is not going to be more and more Government spending but actually getting Governments off the backs of the people and off the backs of businesses. That's the way forward for Wales.