Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 5:55 pm on 13 February 2019.
I don't think that we should get too hung up on the European Court of Justice. We're about to leave it. You and many other people, like Theresa May, are very obsessed about this. Just let's look at the objective, which is to support the reintegration of prisoners into normal life and to tackle our appalling record on recidivism. Clearly, we are spending loads of money on something that's not working.