Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 5:46 pm on 5 March 2019.
I'll respond to that. Irish beef you mentioned: you didn't mention Argentinean beef; you didn't mention Brazilian beef; you didn't mention US beef. It is damaging to the Welsh economy and those markets will not be open to us under WTO rules. So, it's quite clear no one has yet given indication that WTO rules would be better for the Welsh sectors.
Now, that is crucial when we talk about 'no deal' Brexit, because we talk about the economy of our nation. We're talking about the livelihoods of our citizens; we're talking about the lives of our constituents. That is what 'no deal' will damage. It's been quite rightly pointed out that many who promoted from the high levels Brexit have moved their businesses abroad, have moved their investments abroad. My constituents can't do that. They live day to day in my constituency. Steel: we talk about cars. Well, steel actually delivers the raw material for the car making. Now, steel itself may not have the tariffs put upon it, but the products they sell to do have tariffs on them and that will impact upon the steel industry. The steel industry, therefore, will suffer serious implications. That means thousands of jobs in Wales, plus the supply chain. That is going to damage our economy. Now, if anyone wants to vote for a 'no deal' and damage the economy, please be honest with the people and tell them, 'I'm voting for damaging the economy.' No-one's saying that, and it's about time people were honest and said that that's what they want. If you don't want it, then oppose a 'no deal' Brexit, because that is the only way we can secure our economy to be stronger.