8. Plaid Cymru Debate: Building Social Housing in Wales

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 4:47 pm on 6 March 2019.

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Photo of Julie James Julie James Labour 4:47, 6 March 2019

Absolutely, and in doing so, we can remove a number of other issues. As I said, we can remove health problems, mental health problems, we can remove fuel poverty issues, debt issues and so on by building housing of the right standard. And frankly, we can contribute to not killing our own planet by building houses that leak heat out into the air for no reason and so on. So, there are a number of things that we can do with good-quality housing, and we need to step up to that plate. Now that the UK Government has seen fit to change some of the parameters by which we can produce the capital in order to do that, then we need to get on with doing that at pace and at scale. Hannah Blythyn and myself have been touring the councils, as is traditional for people who take over the local government portfolio, and in every council we've met so far, and in the WLGA, we've been greeted with huge enthusiasm across the political spectrum to get on with building social housing at pace and scale. So, it remains for us to get the right sets of rules in place around asset management and use of land and so on to enable that to happen.

I'm very pleased, Deputy Presiding Officer, to tell the Assembly that we're working very hard, for example, on changing the rules about using public land for social housing across the piece in Wales. Some of you may be familiar with a study in Cwm Taf health board that the First Minister commissioned when he was in a previous job—I can't remember which one; public services, I think—which utilises the Government GPS portal Lle to map out the public land across the health board area. We're really looking forward to pushing that out across Wales so that we can see what the availability of public land is to take away some of the capital cost of being able to put social housing—and other forms of tenure.

Various people around the Chamber today, Deputy Presiding Officer, have mentioned other forms of tenure, and we're very keen to see that. Forgive me; I can't remember which Assembly Member said this, but the whole point about this is to make a sustainable community. So, not to have ghettos of single-tenure areas but to have complete mixed tenures, sustainable communities, and mixed in as well. I think it was Leanne Wood who said, 'Not with a road dividing the middle of it but a mixed-in sustainable community'. And in that regard, we've got a number of other pieces of work going on. So, for example, we're spending £90 million on our innovative housing programme, looking at new ways of delivering homes. The £105 million integrated care fund is just beginning to support accommodation-led solutions to social care alongside housing and health programmes, and, of course, we’ve got the £134 million this year in our social housing grant programme. And, Deputy Presiding Officer, the thing that I want to emphasise by that is that they are not separate programmes—they are programmes designed to produce different kinds of housing, but there’s nothing to stop those being in a sustainable community together.

And we also have our innovative self-build programme. I was very struck by what Siân Gwenllian said about local people being driven out by second home ownership, and we’re very keen to ensure that authorities can look to build social housing in small plots in village settlement areas and so on, which would allow people to access social housing, and also ladder housing if you like—help on to the ladder to do that.