Thank you, Jack Sargeant, for those comments, and I must say that having the first-hand testimony of somebody who's fairly recently come through the apprenticeship system adds greatly to the depth of the discussion we have in our National Assembly. And I know from first hand, having attended meetings with Jack with Tata, that he's able to draw on his own experience to inform that discussion, and I think that adds enormously to our Senedd.

On the point of the ageing workforce and the knowledge being lost, I think he makes a very strong point about the value of coaching that graduate apprentices could provide, and I'll certainly take that away and discuss that with officials and write to him with our response.