I met the chief executive only last week, and I'm impressed by her ability, but each time over the last six years when issues have come to a head, in particular around staff morale and the direction of the organisation, we're always told that, 'The management is getting to grips with this complex organisation and it'll be better tomorrow', and tomorrow, in this instance, never seems to come, regrettably.

There would be no one more happy in this Chamber than myself to see NRW flourishing, because, as I said, it has a huge mandate. The environment here in Wales and the potential to develop that environment for the benefit of future generations is one of the biggest legacies we can pass on, and, sadly, we have stood still for six years, I would suggest, and highlighting some of these issues, as I've done in my opening remarks to this debate, clearly shows that that is why, back in December, we called for the reorganisation of NRW, and our final point in the motion today does say that it does need to be looked at and that separation with the commercial aspects of what NRW does from the regulatory aspects, because the two do not sit hand in glove, and there is a need to go back to the drawing board and revamp the organisation because it is such a huge, huge part of the fabric and DNA of Wales, and it has had six years to develop its drive, its mojo, its very DNA, and it's failed to do that. And whilst I wish the new board, and I wish the new chief executive, and I wish the interim chair—because it is an interim chair, it hasn't been appointed on a full-time basis—all the very best, I genuinely cannot see this organisation correcting some of the wrongs because the construction back six years ago—. This organisation was wrongly constructed, as Jon Owen Jones pointed out in his remarks at the time, and many Members in this Chamber. Some Members in this Chamber will remember Antoinette Sandbach, who most probably—. I and she locked horns very many times on certain issues, but Antoinette at this point was the rural affairs spokesperson and the Member in charge from the Conservative point of view, and highlighted many of these problems that have come home to roost in this organisation. You can look back at the Record, and it points to the direction of travel that we were foreseeing some six years ago.

So, instead of us carrying on on this broken track, let's go back to the start and let's actually reorganise this organisation so that we can build an organisation that, at its heart, will develop an environment here in Wales that has the potential to be an environment that anyone across the world will look at and say, 'That is the organisation that we want within our own structures and our own frameworks.' We haven't done that over six years, and hence that's why we bring this debate to the Chamber this afternoon. So, that's why I call on the Chamber to support the motion—in particular, the ability not to leave it standing for another two, three, four years, and hope that it comes right. Hope, a long time ago, evaporated from this argument. It is now a time to actually move forward and develop the solutions that we require and not turn away from some of these demanding questions that are being put to us. And that's why I hope the Chamber will support the motion before it this afternoon.

There are huge potentials ahead and opportunities ahead with the responsibilities that will be coming to this Chamber and to the Government when we leave the European Union: forty-odd new responsibilities, many of them in the field of the environment, and NRW was never constructed to deal with these opportunities. Let's put this organisation back on track, let's turn our back on some of the failures and let's look to the opportunities. And that's why I call on the Chamber to support the motion here this afternoon.