Joyce, thank you for giving way. I wonder how you'd respond to a constituent from Bridgend, Jocelyn from the WASPI Bridgend and Valleys group, who said to me when I asked her, 'What would you say if you were able to speak in this debate?' And she said, 'Huw, what I'd say is that 1950s women have suffered enough through inequality all of our lives. We now live a life of induced poverty, uncertainty, illness, homelessness for some, debt and sadness, and are treated like second-class citizens. Equality is not equality for us born in the 1950s.' Would you agree with that?