It is clear, of course, that effective co-operation between health and social care services can reduce the pressure on both health and care budgets. I'm very grateful to the Minister for agreeing to meet me yesterday to discuss the ways forward to potentially develop some consensus around innovative ways of funding care. Does the Minister agree with me that we will continue to face increased pressures on health budgets unless we can solve the issues of the interface between health and care? And does she also agree with me that there will need to be substantial investment in our care services if we are to create that parity of esteem between the two services that we agree across this Chamber, I think, is desirable?