6. Debate on the External Affairs and Additional Legislation Committee Report: 'Wales' future relationship with Europe and the world'

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 4:44 pm on 1 May 2019.

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Photo of Baroness Mair Eluned Morgan Baroness Mair Eluned Morgan Labour 4:44, 1 May 2019

I think it's worth noting that participation in EU programmes and the associated agreement with the EU would normally be entered into by a sovereign state with the powers to do so, and we are already exploring whether it would be possible for Wales, or a combination of UK constituent countries, to participate in an EU programme like Erasmus, even if the UK Government were to disallow the participation of England. We've established that such an approach, I'm afraid, would require the agreement of the UK Government and its signature on any EU agreement. But that has not put us off the intention to make sure that we push as far as possible our future participation in programmes like Erasmus.

When appropriate, in the context of further Brexit negotiations, we will of course then approach the relevant EU institutions. We are, of course, reviewing all our bilateral relationships as part of that development of the international strategy, and based on this assessment, in line with our strategic priorities, we will identify key priority relationships on which to focus our activity, and they will be set out in the strategic plan. And I would like to assure Mark that we will be underlining the importance of the Welsh office in Brussels, because, of course, not only should we continue to influence in the EU, but that soft power relationship is also crucial in future. We will, of course, need some flexibility within the strategy to make sure that we don't preclude co-operation with other partners outside of our priority areas if those opportunities arise.

We recognise, of course, the importance of developing a more systematic approach to connect Wales with the diaspora. Thanks to David for his ever-interesting Goronwy Owen lessons and Jefferson; they were, of course, part of the Welsh diaspora in the past, and it's important that we gather that diaspora who are out there at the moment, who are willing and able to speak up for Wales abroad. It's quite a complex picture. What I don't want is to start something that we can't continue. That's why we've already had discussions with GlobalWelsh, which you mustn't mix up with Global Wales—I don't want us to be stepping on people's toes who already are doing work in this area. So, we're just trying to bottom out where the best places for us to work are.

Countries, of course, take different approaches to this. Our network of overseas offices, of course, will play an important role in our outreach in the world, and we will give further consideration to the committee's recommendation to commission an independent baseline analysis of the operation of the Government's overseas offices, and I can assure the committee, Chair, that we will be undertaking an assessment of their efficiency and delivery. We've already appointed an official to oversee the performance management of the overseas offices and we need to consider further whether an audit of very small offices would be appropriate, because in some cases we're auditing an individual. The key thing, I think, to remember is that we've got this office in London as well, which has already been strengthened. I am under no illusions whatsoever that London will be central to the delivery of our strategy. We need to tap into the huge resources of the UK Government in the Foreign and Commonwealth Office and other places, and we are also waiting for the Joint Ministerial Committee's timetable.