5. Statement by the Deputy Minister for Economy and Transport: Active Travel

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 4:47 pm on 14 May 2019.

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Photo of Lee Waters Lee Waters Labour 4:47, 14 May 2019

Thank you for the comments. I'm not sure there were any particular questions, but I welcome the tone of what he said. But, just in terms of the final point on the ambition of local authorities, I think we need to be frank that there is unequal ambition. There are a number of local authorities that have demonstrated a woeful lack of ambition, and that partly goes back, I think, to the capacity issue I mentioned, to be fair to them. But I think this is why, in a sense, I want to re-set—and this was the lesson I drew from the evidence that the economy committee took last year. The Act is still in its infancy. This is going to be a long-term change project.

The first maps that came through were a run-through, in effect. The next time, we've got to get it right. I think one of the fundamental problems with the approach we've had to date is that you're asking highway engineers to, in effect, conduct public consultation exercises, which they're not equipped to do, they're not trained to do, and it's not part of their culture. We had some examples of a couple of engineers having a room in a library on a Wednesday afternoon for a couple of hours and being surprised that very few people turned up. But until we get that consultation approach right, we're never going to have the fundamental foundation stone in the right place. So, what I'm looking to do is ring-fencing some of this money and putting out a tender for an all-Wales approach, where we fund an organisation outside of the culture of local authorities to engage in communities, to get that raw data, to have the conversation with mothers with pushchairs and old men on walking sticks on what it would take to get them to change their travel behaviour and to build that in to the network maps. Because, after all, they're meant to be 15-year visions of, in an ideal world, what would need to be there for us to behave differently.

And that's not what local authorities did. The WLGA evidence to the committee was very clear: they did not want to create expectations they wouldn't be able to meet by putting routes into those maps that they weren't confident they could deliver. And that's the wrong starting point. So we've got to give them that confidence that we can create expectations, because without creating expectations, what's the point of doing this in the first place? But the lines that must be there have got to be lines that withstand scrutiny for creating networks that are going to be well used. So, I think, pressing the reset button by going out and doing a robust consultation exercise, targeting the right people, which will then put into the next maps in 2021 proper local networks that we can then fund in stages, to design standards by properly trained local authority officers, working regionally, scrutinising each other to make sure that the work is of a standard, alongside the crucial bit, which I haven't mentioned much today, which is promotion.

The focus of the budget is largely focused on capital, on infrastructure, and we know from all the evidence that as well as infrastructure we need behavioural change interventions. Some of the money that's being announced, the £30 million, is available to local authorities to do promotion, but we need to do much more if we're going to make this agenda take off. But let's reset the foundations, let's get that right, and then we can look at the next bit.