5. Statement by the Minister for Economy and Transport: The Global Centre of Rail Excellence in Wales

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 4:36 pm on 21 May 2019.

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Photo of David Rees David Rees Labour 4:36, 21 May 2019

Can I thank the Minister for his statement, and I very much welcome the vision for the new centre up at the top end of the Dulais valley, as Dai Lloyd said, an area that has obviously had mining in its past and is now looking to develop a new direction that you wish to go in in my neighbouring constituency of Neath?

You mentioned a couple of points, I think, I want to raise with you, and I also welcome Neath Port Talbot and Powys councils for their vision in recognising the opportunities such a project will bring, and working together here is going to be critical in this move forward, and I'm very pleased that they've joined the Welsh Government in a joint agreement. The questions I want to raise: you mentioned universities—what discussions have you had with universities so that they are aware and they will be getting involved in the development and the research aspects that this offers? Because if you're talking about a chair, it's an across-the-UK opportunity for those universities, but have you had discussions with both Welsh and UK-wide universities as to the opportunities? 

Have you looked at UK research funding? You talk about Innovate UK research funding, and clearly the UK will have to put some funding into this—I'm not talking about EU funding now; I'm talking about Innovate UK funding—to look at how they're going to perceive this opportunity, so that they can actually invest into this?

Network Rail is mentioned here, and you want Network Rail to actually look at their programme and how we can fit in. How far have those discussions gone as to how Network Rail will be looking at involvement in this project? And are they going to submit themselves at some point to actually say, 'Yes, we will use this centre as part of our programme as well?' That's going to be crucial, I think, to the future.

I also want to ask about rail gauges. We all think that rail is one track, but, actually, there are various gauges available. Is the centre going to be looking at multiple gauges or a single gauge? Is it going to look at freight as well as passenger? Is it going to look at different rail gauges, because if you're going to attract European investment and European companies, you may need to look at different gauges to suit their needs as well? So, will the centre have a difference in the gauges being used, and, as a consequence, have you thought about that in the planning application? It's all well and good to say we're going to have a planning application, but what's it for? Is it just for the track, is it for the whole infrastructure, is it for the maintenance centre? Will the planning application be a totality, or will it be piecemeal in that sense as well?

And finally, and Russell highlighted this, and I think it's important—the skills agenda. This, if it comes off and works, will, you said, initially give 150 permanent jobs, highly skilled jobs, some of those will be, and, as you highlighted, European colleagues have up to 400 or so. They're going to want a newer facility; if they've got one on the doorstep that is brand-new, they'll be looking at it. So, we could end up seeing quite an expansion as a consequence of this. Have you put into place plans to actually develop skills both of the existing workforce in the area, but also university graduate skills that come into this scheme, to ensure that we are able not just to have facilities, but that we can actually have the people who will work there?