Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 4:56 pm on 21 May 2019.
Thank you, Deputy Presiding Officer, and can I thank the Minister for making her statement? I'm a little disappointed; I think I have to be candid about this, given that we've had an earlier statement, the one in March, and I had hoped there'd be more pace and purpose in the May statement, which was promised in the earlier statement.
At the moment, we know that the Government accepts all the recommendations in the expert group's report in principle. We were promised a detailed response in May, and I think to say that the recommendations are accepted in principle is perhaps a little disappointing. I was hoping that we'd have something perhaps similar to the narrative we have when the Welsh Government responds to Assembly committee reports, so that we know those that are immediately going to be accepted in practice and then those that are in principle but will be heavily reworked, usually, by the Government. So, that's the first thing I want to say.
In March, the Minister also promised a clear project plan, and that was supposed to be delivered today, but I don't think without that clear response to the recommendations of the expert group's report that you can have something that constitutes such a delivery plan. I do acknowledge that there has been some progress in terms of the detail about next steps. For instance, I do welcome the fact that the height threshold will be no higher than 18m. I think that is a very helpful statement and I think it will be a reassuring one, and it is one that we support.
Another step I welcome is making fire and rescue authorities consultees in the planning process. There is, however, as I hinted earlier, less progress in other areas—for example, promoting the retrofitting of sprinklers. The Minister really has not done much more than repeat what she said in March. I do not think it is exactly a clear project plan to say, regarding sprinklers, that there will be a relaunch of the 'Householders Guide to Fire Sprinklers' that was first published in 2015. I really did expect more at this stage.
I said in my response to the March statement that we need to engage residents more fully and effectively. And while I'm pleased that the Welsh Government will work with Community Housing Cymru to, and I quote,
'consider how to enhance the role of residents by ensuring that their voices are heard'— end quote—I had expected something a bit more definitive and certainly quicker.
Much of the necessary work to implement the expert group's recommendations, at least those that we will get to hear are accepted in practice, will fall to the two work streams, as the Minister indicated. And I do realise there is a need to consider matters carefully and fully. However, there's also a need to act swiftly and to give fire safety the highest priority. Indeed, the Minister said in her March statement—and now I quote again—that there would be a
'project plan, with transparent timescales'.
Well, the only transparent timescale I can see in this statement is the promise of a consultation in the summer of 2020. That's a promise of a consultation one year hence. Not the conclusion of a consultation in a year, but the commencement of a consultation in one year, and that with a view—a view—to legislate in the next Assembly term.
We have to be upfront here: this is slow pace, and it resembles, in my view, more the sort of orderly legislative process that a Government would have in an area of public policy that needs updating and reform, but didn't have critical matters of danger within it, as I'm afraid we do at the moment in some aspects of fire safety, in particular in regard to high-rise buildings. We need to move more quickly so that we can act on the strong evidence base that the Hackitt review and this expert group's recommendations have developed.
Can I say—? If you do move more swiftly, we've still got two years of this Assembly term. I know our group will work very fully with you in that, and I'm sure that the other groups in this Assembly would do the same. We can move more quickly; I urge you to do so.