6. Statement by the Minister for Housing and Local Government: The Welsh Government Response to the Building Safety Expert Group's Roadmap

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 5:15 pm on 21 May 2019.

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Photo of Mike Hedges Mike Hedges Labour 5:15, 21 May 2019

I very much welcome the Government's statement today, and can I say that I'll avoid saying anything that John Griffiths and David Melding have said up until now, but I agree with everything that both of them have said? The minimum that we should expect from a dwelling is that it is windproof, waterproof, and most importantly, safe. I think that's what we all have to expect.

Welsh Government's got a good record in advancing fire safety. We were the first country in the world to require sprinklers in all newly built and converted houses and flats. I don't need to tell you, Deputy Presiding Officer, about the screams of some builders about how it was going to make it impossible, and I think those screams have disappeared now because I think they've realised that it is important and it does keep people alive. I support the Government's policy to ensure we build on this strong legacy and that Wales continues to be a leader in keeping people safe in their homes.

I note the Welsh Government accepts all the experts' recommendations in principle. The problem with accepting things in principle is, for many of us who've sat in here for several years, 'in principle' has tended to mean the Government aren't actually going to do anything about what is recommended, but they're not prepared to have a row about it. That's really what 'in principle' has meant over the last few years. So, I hope your 'in principle' means that you accept in principle that you're going to find a way of actually achieving it, rather than patting us on the head or patting them on the head and saying, 'That's just great, but we won't actually do anything.' So, my first question is: can you provide regular—I'm not expecting verbal, but written—updates and inform the Assembly which of those have moved from in principle to being carried out? I wouldn't expect you to come and tell us every time, but a written statement on that I don't think is asking too much.

I note you said, as you said last month, that you'll promote the retrofitting of sprinklers. I know that there are a number of people in the private sector, also including some people who own buildings, who are finding it incredibly expensive to have to do that. Will any transaction capital be used to support this via loans for privately owned flats and people who own buildings? Because my understanding of transactions capital—and I accept that you probably know more about it than I do—is that it is available to be used by the private sector only, and as such I would think this would be a good use of it.