Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 5:01 pm on 22 May 2019.
No, I realise—. Thank you for taking the intervention a little later on. In your opening remarks, you said that you thought the people of Wales would be happy enough that Wales had caught up with the rest of the UK. Are you sure that that's not a bit of a low ambition, when, actually, we should have been using this opportunity of devolution to make Wales soar and not just catch up very belatedly with the rest of the UK?