6. Plaid Cymru Debate: A confirmatory European Union referendum

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 5:45 pm on 5 June 2019.

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Photo of Jeremy Miles Jeremy Miles Labour 5:45, 5 June 2019

This Chamber, of course, knows that the outcome of the 2016 referendum was not what we wanted. But we have been consistent in seeking to find a way to deliver on that result and to do the best for Wales in the process. Unlike the UK Government, we recognised the deep divisions and sought to build a consensus, and unlike the UK Government, we also recognised from the start that no form of Brexit would be pain free or would preserve all the economic benefits of EU membership. 

In 'Securing Wales' Future'—unlike the Conservatives, unlike the Brexiteers—we set out a way to deliver EU exit that would not fatally undermine the security of people's jobs and the economy of Wales, whilst seeking to deliver on the referendum result. And 'Securing Wales' Future' shows that we as a Welsh Government have led the way, rather than simply, perhaps, echoing the approach of our Labour colleagues in Parliament. And that White Paper, published nearly two and a half years ago, provided a detailed blueprint for the way forward. It went significantly further than our colleagues in Parliament in spelling out the trade-offs that would be necessary, and there's nothing strange in that, as we are a party in Government here not a party in opposition, and a Government that prioritises the interests of the people of Wales. 

Now, once again, we are defining our own way forward by making clear that, after three wasted years, it is time again to make the case for remaining in the EU. After those three years, there is sadly no consensus coming forward in Parliament and in a country still so divided. The Conservative leadership election will provide no solution. Unless action is taken, as Lynne Neagle said, it will inevitably lead to only one costly outcome: a hardline Brexit or a catastrophic 'no deal', of the type so shamefully advocated by Mark Reckless and Darren Millar in the Chamber over the course of the last few days in particular. We cannot and will not stand by while that takes place. 

Yes, our position has evolved and we do not apologise for that. The Prime Minister has shown the damage that can be done by clinging to red lines and her catchphrases. We must take action based on the realities that we face. The European election suggested that the sort of soft Brexit that we have advocated does not command widespread support. It is becoming increasingly clear that the choice this country faces is between a hard Brexit and 'remain'. We cannot entrust the future livelihoods of our citizens to a group of hard Brexiteers in the Conservative Party.

So, we are making clear now, once again, that we will campaign remorselessly to remain and we need parliamentarians of all parties to recognise the only way forward is to legislate for another referendum. The UK Government should be taking the necessary steps to prepare for another referendum now, drafting the relevant legislation, consulting the Electoral Commission and seeking agreement to another extension to the article 50 process. That is why most recently when I met with the Brexit Secretary here in Cardiff, on 16 May, I asked him directly what preparations the UK Government are making. The answer, in effect, was none. So, Parliament needs to take the initiative. We cannot allow more time to be squandered.

So, let me be clear: we support the motion before the Assembly. Any deal that any Government puts forward should be subject to a referendum. But we also believe that a referendum three years ago, on a proposition that the Government would find it easy to negotiate a benign Brexit, does not—as Carwyn Jones himself said in the speech—does not give a mandate to allow a disastrous 'no deal' to happen. Yet, it remains the default option. That's why we have proposed an amendment to reiterate the established position of this Assembly, and I thank Delyth Jewell, in her speech, for her support on behalf of Plaid Cymru for that amendment. We recognise, though, Llywydd, that in order to formally consider the amendment on the floor of this Chamber, we would effectively need to oppose or abstain on the motion itself, which we are not prepared to do. It's essential that the Assembly gives a clear statement of this position, and we will therefore support the motion as tabled, even though it will mean our amendment falls, but I am confident that this Chamber still has a majority in support of the principles set out in that amendment.

Two other amendments have been tabled to today's debate. The first amendment, from Caroline Jones, quite simply fails in any way to recognise the complexities of the UK's exit from the European Union and the hugely damaging impact of a 'no deal' scenario. We will oppose it. The second amendment, tabled by Darren Millar, must also be opposed. We all recognise the referendum result. It is a matter of fact. But the division that lies behind it, across Wales and the UK, is real, and we need a more thoughtful and more responsible approach to that reality.

We must not be complacent. The threat of no deal is very real. The election of a new Conservative leader only increases that risk. The time has come to put a final decision back to the people and prevent the country from drifting into the default of no deal, for which no-one made the case in 2016 and for which there is no mandate.