4. Statement by the Counsel General and Brexit Minister: The Implications of the UK Government's Immigration Proposals for Welsh Public Services and the Wider Economy

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 4:55 pm on 11 June 2019.

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Photo of Jeremy Miles Jeremy Miles Labour 4:55, 11 June 2019

I thank the Member for, in particular, the way in which she started her question with the welcome to migrants from the European Union. It's important, in difficult times such as these are, for that to be repeated as often as possible in this Chamber, so that people have the reassurance of our commitment to their well-being and their welcome in Wales. 

She asked what steps the Welsh Government is taking in relation to this. There are a number of specific steps that we have taken and are taking. The kind of policies described in 'Brexit and Fair Movement of People' mostly could be delivered even in the context of remaining as a member of the European Union, so that's a contribution to the policy debate that we feel still carries weight and still merits reflection and consideration. 

We gave evidence, as she knows, to the Migration Advisory Committee specifically in relation to the point that she raised towards the end of her questions around the arrangements in Wales for occupations for which there is a particular shortage. We gave evidence in relation to social care, food production, where dependence on the vets trained in the European Union is very, very high, manufacturing, higher education and the health service and, indeed, some other sectors. We gave that evidence to the Migration Advisory Committee and she will also know that the MAC report of about a week or so ago recommended, in principle, a shortage occupation list for Wales. It took on board the points we made in particular around vets in the food production sector, but recognised that some of these shortages are felt right across the UK, and therefore, for the time being at least, have decided to amend the UK or the England-and-Wales shortage occupation list. We obviously welcome the prospect of a separate shortage occupation list for Wales, but the truth of the matter is that, actually, that isn't the principal solution to the challenges that we face. The principal solution is looking at a migration policy that reflects the different salary need and different skills needs in the Welsh economy. So, whilst it's a thing to welcome, I think we need to be cautious about simply looking at separate administrative arrangements, when, actually, what we want is substantive change that impacts the Welsh economy.

We've funded, through the European Union transition fund, as she may know, the EU citizens immigration advice service, which helps, particularly, EU citizens who are vulnerable, who may be elderly or living alone, or are in other ways difficult to reach, as it were, through more conventional means. It provides a specific advice service to those individuals and a broadly based public awareness campaign of their rights as EU citizens. The Welsh Government is also undertaking a co-ordination exercise so that the various organisations in Wales that have been commissioned to provide advice services of that sort, either funded by ourselves or by the UK Government, are working together collaboratively in a way that avoids duplication and makes sure that gaps are avoided wherever that is possible. And that forum, we hope, will meet regularly to ensure co-ordination of that advice and support for EU citizens across Wales.

As I mentioned also in my statement, we have been lobbying, both at a ministerial and an official level, in terms of individual ministerial meetings, but also round-tables at which the Home Office and other devolved administrations are represented. We will continue to do that and we will do that based upon an evidential base, which is where we have—where we've been able to move the UK Government's position in the area of Brexit, it has been by tenacious advocates of an evidenced position, and that will continue, we hope, in relation to migration as well. Many of the advances we have achieved in relation to this area have been done in conjunction with the SNP Government in Scotland, and the area of migration is one where we have got a number of shared interests and concerns, even though, perhaps, the destination that both Governments might seek from this policy objective may be different.