7. Welsh Conservatives Debate: Reducing Plastic Waste

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 6:32 pm on 12 June 2019.

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Photo of Nick Ramsay Nick Ramsay Conservative 6:32, 12 June 2019

Diolch, Dirprwy Lywydd. I think that the Minister hit the nail on the head there at the very end of her speech when she said that we need action on this as well as warm words. I'll keep my comments brief, Dirprwy Lywydd, because I appreciate the time, and Members from all parties, and independents of course, have made some very good points.

I think that, if you look at the statistics, they're truly horrifying. They have been cited by many speakers. Wales currently produces 400,000 tonnes of total plastic waste per year. The longevity of plastics, as we've heard, can mean that plastic lasts in landfill for centuries. I think Dai Lloyd's points were particularly pertinent to me as the father of a seven-month-old baby now. I think it's horrifying, not just what you spoke about with plastics and microplastics and nanoplastics—it's almost at science fiction level—building up in our bodies on a daily basis, but that process starts very early on when a baby is born, or perhaps even before. These microplastics and nanoplastics are everywhere. They're throughout the food chain. It's going to be incredibly difficult to deal with this situation, but we need to deal with that situation and we need to start now.

As my colleague David Melding said in his contribution, there's often an attitude of, 'What difference does it make if Wales does this, if a small country does its best? Because there are much larger countries, and if they're not taking any notice, then we can't really get anywhere'. Well, at least it's a start. We often talk about that phrase 'the size of Wales', don't we? Well, if a country the size of Wales can make a start with trying to deal with the problem of plastics, then maybe we can spread out good practice across the world and other countries will follow suit. We know other instances where we've passed things in this Chamber that, at the time, have seemed to a lot of people ludicrous. You might remember, when the single-use plastic bags were being discussed, there were some people who thought that would never work, that it was crazy, that people would take a Morrisons bag into a Sainbury's supermarket and would use that. Well, you see that all the time now, it's commonplace, and you have reusable bags and paper bags. So, there are things that, whilst at the time they seem difficult to achieve, in the future they can be achieved. So, let's make a start and urge that to happen.

Yes, we've had, as we've heard and as Dai said, a climate change emergency declared. We need to see action on the ground with climate change, but there are wider environmental issues such as the issues of plastic that need to be dealt with as well. I'm pleased that the Climate Change, Environment and Rural Affairs Committee has been looking at this. It's very important that this area is scrutinised fully. One of the reasons, in terms of the amendments, we are rejecting the Government amendment is because it will delete our motion. We are supporting amendment 2, which makes some very good points about guidance given by the Welsh Government. We have an issue with amendment 3 and we're going to abstain on that, not because it's a very noble aim to ban plastic food packaging that isn't recyclable or biodegradable, but I want to see some more information on the mechanisms of doing that and then we will give our full support. And I think that's an issue where climate change committee and other committees can look at scrutinising and providing very real solutions to the Government.

As Andrew R.T. Davies said right at the very start, we need to hand on—I'm paraphrasing now—an environment that is better than we received. We need to do that in terms of the next generation with all sorts of things. We can look at the health service, we can look at education, we can look at transport, at roads, as we discussed, but, on the issue of the environment, it is this planet that is our heritage and that we leave to future generations. And without the planet on which we—well, I am standing now and I am talking to you about defending the planet—. Without that, really, everything else pales into insignificance. So, I think, Andrew, you made a very good point at the very start of your speech, which really resonates through everyone else's contributions today and, indeed, that the Minister responded to.

So, can I thank everyone who contributed to today's debate? I think it's a debate that has been brought to the fore by programmes such as David Attenborough's Blue Planet. I hope that many other programmes also continue to raise the profile of this issue. It's something that wasn't discussed that long ago and now we're discussing it in this Chamber, and discussing a problem is the first stage to solving it.