Well, Llywydd, let me say that I am not in favour of those who are paid at the top of our public services being paid at levels that separate them from the rest of their workforce. It's why the Welsh Government has a ratio that's amongst the narrowest in all public sector bodies in Wales between what is paid at the top of the range and those people who are paid less in our public service itself. That is true in the higher education sector as well, although the decisions that are made about the salaries of vice-chancellors are absolutely not decisions made by Ministers, nor should they be interfered with by Ministers.

There are sectors where the public sector now operates where you are in a competitive market. That is true in the health service, we know, where scarce people have to be found to come to work in Wales. It's why we offer to our GPs—and in parts of Wales that the Member himself represents—additional finance and funding to get people to come and work in parts of Wales where otherwise we would not be able to attract people. It is just inevitable—we may not like it, but it is inevitable that where public services are competing for scarce resources and people who can choose wherever they want to go and work, the amount we pay them becomes part of the way in which we have to find ways of bringing people to discharge these really important responsibilities.