Well, you're absolutely right, Mick. In order to get an accreditation of the kind that the University of South Wales has recently been awarded, the living wage must be implemented both for directly employed staff and outsourced activity. Without that, accreditation cannot be won. 

Universities Wales members have committed to paying the Living Wage Foundation's living wage to all directly employed staff already, and they've already started the process of implementing the living wage across their outsourced HE activities. As I said, all institutions are currently in the process of being formally accredited for that achievement, and I'm very grateful to have worked in partnership with the Higher Education Funding Council for Wales, Universities Wales and the sector more widely to gain this commitment. The HE sector in Wales will be the first part of the United Kingdom's higher education landscape to achieve this goal.