Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 5:06 pm on 3 July 2019.
I've already made it clear in this debate that I don't share the wholly negative view that's been expressed by some in the Chamber, but, nonetheless, it was the case that universities did seem reluctant to give evidence to committee and express those opinions. Why would that be the case? If the picture is so good, why have they been so reluctant to speak to us?