Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 2:59 pm on 9 July 2019.
Thank you, Andrew R.T. Davies, for those comments and questions, and I'm grateful for your support and your party's for the Bill. I'll be very clear in answer to your last question: the objective of this Bill is to prevent the use of wild animals in travelling circuses on ethical grounds. That is absolutely the purpose and the objective of the Bill.
You asked about regulations, and I suppose that sort of ties into your second question around the Scottish Bill and the Bill that's currently progressing through the UK Parliament. Our Bill is very similar to the Scottish Bill. A big difference is the fact that we do have that ability to bring forward subordinate legislation and regulations. One of the reasons I thought it was important to have that in the Bill is that, for instance, I was asked, 'Why don't we have a list of wild animals on the face of the Bill?' That would be a very, very long list. If you look at the wild animals that are currently being used in the two circuses at the current time, I don't think there's a need to have a list, but I do think that, as time goes on, it could be that other animals would need to be listed—other wild animals—and therefore we should have those regulations in place. So, that is a big difference between us and the UK Government Bill. Scotland do have that ability.
You asked about the licensing of animal exhibits and, as I said in my original statement, last year I went out to consultation on the licensing of animal exhibits, and we tied in the issue around banning the use of wild animals in travelling circuses. I want to make sure that we capture all loopholes that there may be in relation to other pieces of legislation. So, as I said, the Bill, for example, will not affect the use of domesticated animals in travelling circuses, and nor will it prevent wild animals being used for entertainment in other settings, for instance. So, the welfare of these animals is very important and that's the reason why I announced my intention to bring forward the licensing scheme for all animal exhibits that meet given criteria in law. I will be going out to further public consultation before the end of summer recess. Certainly, the amount of responses we had to the original consultation last year, from where this Bill has been derived, shows you the passion people have for animal welfare in Wales, and I think it's really important that we have this scheme going forward.
It's not being done in isolation; it's being done in conjunction with stakeholders and other enforcement agencies and working collaboratively with my counterparts in England and Scotland. The approach that will deliver the scheme will have a lasting impact on the welfare of animals that are being used in exhibits, and you mentioned some examples. There are a significant number of animals that we probably don't know about that are going round schools, for instance, and we often see them at agricultural shows and in other settings. So, I think it is really important that we have this scheme. But I think also it's important for our ongoing attitude and that of future generations regarding the welfare of animals.