Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 5:18 pm on 10 July 2019.
I agree with the remarks the Member just made as regards being a Welsh Parliament and being Members of a Welsh Parliament. I only regret that he apparently said the opposite in the process that led to the Bill coming to us in the form it does today, because in the Llywydd's explanatory memorandum, it states, in summary:
'The purpose of the Bill is to: rename the Assembly to "Senedd".'
It then gives two other points:
'lower the minimum voting age', and then deliver a number of other reforms.
We will be opposing this Bill today, because we do not support renaming the Assembly 'Senedd'. We are not convinced—at least of yet, although I share the views of some of the particularly engaged Members who came to the session we had jointly with the Youth Parliament. I, too, was impressed; I don't rule out being convinced of the case for changing the voting age at a later point, but we are not as yet. And the other reforms—we have mixed views on those.
I was struck, a couple of years ago, by the response when Andrew R.T. Davies, then leader of the Welsh Conservatives, or at least the Assembly group, said that the Conservatives supported renaming this institution 'Welsh Parliament'. And there was, I thought, a surprising amount of media pick-up on that. I didn't think it was a terribly controversial thing to say, but the party having been, perhaps, more sceptical of devolution, at least previously, it was seen as significant. I don't see it as controversial that we should be called 'the Welsh Parliament', because that is what we are. We've had, since the last referendum, full legislative powers, at least on the areas we do, and we make laws—that's what a legislature does—and we also raise taxes. Before, I think we regulated what local councils were doing in terms of how council tax and business rates were raised, but I sat on the Finance Committee for the two new taxes we brought in, and we now also have the Welsh rates of income tax. So, I think a body that passes laws and raises significant amounts of taxes is a Parliament and it should be called such. I only regret that that is not proposed on the face of this Bill. Yes, I'll give way.