7. Debate on the General Principles of the Senedd and Elections (Wales) Bill

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 5:23 pm on 10 July 2019.

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Photo of Michelle Brown Michelle Brown Independent 5:23, 10 July 2019

I'll start with the extension of the franchise. As far as eligibility of residents to vote is concerned, I acknowledge there are some very strong views on both sides of the argument to lower the voting age to 16. From a personal point of view, in principle, I really don't object to the proposal to lower the voting age, but I do think it's contradictory, while we have so many activities that are prohibited until young people reach the age of 18. Both UK and Welsh Governments have concluded that there are a number of things that under 18s may not fully understand the implications of undertaking and so have legislated to protect them. If we're to maintain the principle that there are some things that the law shouldn't allow young people to do until they're 18, how can we also be exercising the principle that people who are 16 are mature enough to be part of the process that decides what they are and what they're not mature enough to partake in? It's contradictory.

Contradictory messages are also being sent to 16 to 18-year-olds right now in other ways. On the one hand, there's a whole list of things, such as intimate piercing, drinking alcohol et cetera, that this place and others have deemed young people too immature to decide for themselves to do under the age of 18. But, on the other hand, this Bill is telling them that they're mature enough to vote to decide who runs the country. I mean, which one is it?

As far as the other elements of the Bill are concerned, I can support the principle of changing the name of the Assembly, but only on the basis that the new name makes it easier for the people of Wales to understand what this place actually does. It was unhelpful in the first place that Wales's elected Chamber was called an Assembly, and I agree with what Alun Davies said earlier about devolution and about the name change for the actual Members of this place. Wales, effectively, got an elected Chamber that amounted to a poor relation's parliament, and both Wales and Scotland were sent on a supposedly evolutionary path that really meant both places would have to fight for governance to be devolved. It was unhelpful. As we all know, devolution has now moved on. So, I understand and I am supportive of the proposal to change the name of the Assembly.

Now, I have no problem with the name 'Senedd' and I also note that section 2 permits 'Welsh Parliament' to be used in place of 'Senedd', reflecting that there are two official languages in Wales, but that's where the bilingualism ends. Sections 3 to 8 rename the organs of the Assembly in Welsh as well as its Members, which is perfectly logical, of course, but then the English translation is a potentially misleading mix of English and Welsh, for example the 'Senedd Commission' rather than 'Welsh Parliament Commission'. The name 'Senedd' is currently used as an alternative for 'Assembly', so when 'Welsh Parliament' is added into the mix, it may seem to some people that the 'Welsh Parliament' is an additional institution rather than just an alternate name. The new names of Members, the Commission et cetera could also lead to the misunderstanding that there's a Senedd and a Welsh Parliament, and the proposed new names set out in sections 3 to 8 don't make our roles or those of the bodies of this place any more understandable. And, yes, you can educate people, but the more unclear you make the names of the bodies and Members of this institution, the more taxpayers' money will be needed to educate the population.

The intention of the name change is to not only reflect the reality of the Assembly's current state as a proper legislature but to aid people's understanding of what we do here. The proposed name changes in sections 3 to 8 don't make it easy for the public to understand what this place and its Members actually do, and therefore don't make it more accessible to the public. 

I feel an opportunity to increase engagement by the public with this place is currently being missed by the Bill disengaging anyone who's not a Welsh speaker or isn't up with the lingo of this Assembly, that is the majority of the Welsh population, because there's an unequal focus on the name 'Senedd'. I would therefore ask the Presiding Officer why the decision has been made to use this mixture of Welsh and English in the supposedly English translation of the Welsh names in sections 3 to 8—[Interruption.] I'm on my last three words.