Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 6:49 pm on 10 July 2019.
I think the point that is made in the report is that the international comparisons and those within the United Kingdom show that there is under-representation of the people of Wales in their national legislature. So, the international comparisons demonstrate that that under-representation makes it more difficult for us as a legislature to do our scrutiny work as compared with similar Parliaments in other parts of the world.
To turn to the issue of cost, which has been referred to also this afternoon, we have to remember, of course, that it all comes down to money at the end of the day for many people. The expert panel figures are the latest available in this respect. It is estimated that an additional 20 Members in this place would cost £6.6 million per annum, with a further 30 Members costing £9.6 million. By comparison, the 2013 Treasury figures—the most recent figures, that is—estimate that spend for the four Welsh Members of the European Parliament is over £7 million currently. So, in terms of the public purse, the four Members of the European Parliament represent more than an additional 20 Assembly Members. And do remember that, if Brexit happens.
So, what next? Because of the lack of consensus, but dependent on today's vote of course, the possibility of legislating by 2021 appears to be unrealistic. With that in mind, my recommendation would be to establish a temporary committee of this Assembly to build on the work of the expert panel on increasing the number of Assembly Members and reforming the electoral system. I will be asking the Business Committee to consider doing just that. There is a precedent for establishing temporary committees to look at constitutional issues, and that was particularly true in the second Assembly. By gathering evidence from relevant experts and stakeholders, we could ask a committee of that kind to report on their work before the summer of 2020, in the hope of assisting the parties as they discuss this further.
I strongly believe that maintaining momentum on this issue not only merits our time and resources, but is also necessary if this Senedd is to stand the test of time and the challenges it brings. Today's debate has been a useful milestone, and I very much look forward to continuing this debate with an eye to legislating to increase the number of Members of this Senedd sooner rather than later.