Very briefly, on the new people's voice body for health and social care in Wales, you might be aware that the current community health councils have called for that body to be independent and genuinely stronger. However, on 3 July, the health Minister told the Finance Committee that the new body will

'have control of its own destiny and much more genuine independence in a way that CHCs at the moment don't have. And I appoint lots and lots of people to the boards of local and regional CHCs, which again I don't think makes sense.'

However, he seems to have forgotten that they will be appointing all the members of the new citizen's voice board whereas he only appoints half of the current community health council members, with the others appointed by the third sector and local authorities. Surely, independence must mean that very thing.