Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 3:41 pm on 16 July 2019.
There are elements in the statement on the legislative programme that the First Minister delivered this afternoon that are to be welcomed. We’ve already declared our support for the principle of embracing the social partnership model that will be attached to the Bill that the First Minister has referred to.
We also welcome the move towards reregulation of the bus sector. We agree with the analysis in terms of the damage done by deregulation during the 1980s, and the shift in the other direction I think is a step forward. But may I ask, as this sector is one that is going through great and very challenging restructuring at the moment, for numerous reasons, what work has the Welsh Government done and what work is the Welsh Government doing to ensure that we aren’t simply waiting for those statutory powers or legislative powers? For example, I raised the issue of First Cymru with the First Minister a few weeks ago, and the opportunity—it’s a threat, but it’s also perhaps an opportunity—for us to ensure that we don’t see an erosion of services across large parts of the south-west of Wales, and across Wales as a whole. He did mention that he would have a word with his Minister for local government in order to have a discussion with the city of Swansea in the first instance.
In terms of taxis, I think it is a sector—. I think the First Minister in his statement said that it's a sector that is going through even more of a change, because of the challenges of the gig economy and so on, and perhaps that’s the driver for the ideas that have emerged from various stakeholders in this area. I am disappointed that we are delaying this, because this landscape is going to look very different in two or three years. It looked very different two or three years ago. So, can we afford to not take this opportunity to ensure that we place that sector on firm, robust ground?
There are things to be welcomed in terms of the legislation that’s been deferred. We welcome the decision to pause the agriculture Bill. That’s what we’ve consistently said in Plaid Cymru, and I think that gives us an opportunity to weight up and to develop a framework that will provide a foundation for the long-term future.
There are some things missing. I can’t see any reference, for example, to a clean air Act. I haven't read the First Minister’s manifesto for the leadership of the Labour Party from cover to cover, but I do think that was an element of the programme that you had presented—that is, an Act that would, for example, give you a statutory right to breathe, and would place a responsibility or put WHO guidance on some sort of statutory basis, and so on. And, of course, we know that there is a huge problem across Wales and this is an area where we do need to see progress. I would still urge the Government to reconsider not legislating now on this issue.
You had also mentioned, or in fact you had committed to extending the smoking ban, if I remember rightly, to open air areas in town and city centres. Is that still your Government’s intention, and when do you intend to legislate in that regard?
In terms of TERCW—I'm not sure what the Welsh acronym for that is yet—but I do think it’s true that this body will not only be responsible for tertiary education and research, but it will also be responsible for innovation in its broader sense. And if memory serves me, I think the intention is to create some sub-committee that will be specifically responsible for innovation and research. Isn't there a risk, First Minister, in that regard, because innovation of course relies upon research from the HE sector, and so on, but that only represents one aspect of innovation? There is also the business dimension, which is crucially important, and there was a recommendation made by Professor Kevin Morgan, who is a global specialist in innovation, that we should rather create a national innovation body on the Scandinavian model. That’s not what’s entailed in the recommendations that you're taking forward, but is that still part of the vision for the legislation that you are to introduce?
Finally, there is a reference in your statement towards legislative constraints. So, what exactly are those constraints? Is it the number of Members, the time available during the working week in the Senedd, which takes us back to the debate that we had last week? Does it relate to the number of civil servants that you have available to you? Can you give us some idea as to where the pressures are being applied and what can be done? We made one definite suggestion in terms of one element of this problem, but what else can be done? Because if these constraints do mean that there are good ideas for legislation that can't proceed, then we will all lose out as a result of that.