5. Statement by the Counsel General and Brexit Minister: Brexit Preparedness

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 5:37 pm on 16 July 2019.

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Photo of Darren Millar Darren Millar Conservative 5:37, 16 July 2019

Thank you, Minister, for your statement. I have to say that I thought it was all going to be on Brexit preparedness, but a good proportion of it, though, seemed to be more about the leadership contest in the Conservative Party. I also think it's a great shame that the Labour Party here in Wales have abandoned its previous position of respecting democracy. Prior to the vote in June 2016, your party made it absolutely clear that you would respect the outcome of that vote. Immediately after the vote, you said that you would respect the outcome of that vote. Your MPs—every single Labour MP in the House of Commons today—was elected on a manifesto that said that it would respect that result of the referendum. And yet, in the recent past, particularly the past few months, we've seen your party shapeshifting in an extraordinary way, not only calling for a second referendum, but going further than just calling for a second referendum, also then saying that you want to campaign to remain if a second referendum is held. And today, you've gone even further, because what you've said is that if there's going to be a snap general election, you simply want a manifesto commitment to cancel Brexit altogether. Well, how is that respecting democracy? You say there's no mandate to deliver Brexit, and yet we've had a referendum and we've had commitments in party manifestos from both of the main political parties that have said that they would deliver it. There's a mandate to deliver Brexit. There's certainly no mandate to cancel it, which is what you and your party want to do. I think it's ironic, frankly, that we're in that position.

You quoted a list of companies and organisations that are saying that they're concerned about a 'no deal' Brexit. Those same organisations told you and your party to back the Prime Minister's withdrawal deal. You didn't want to listen to them then, did you? That's the deal that's been negotiated with the EU. That's the deal that you say yourself has no prospect of being changed. So, therefore, the choice is between the withdrawal deal at the moment or no deal at all. And yet you still fail to back that particular deal. So, you can't have it all. You can't say that we are pushing, as a Conservative Party, the country into a 'no deal' Brexit position. Your party is what's pushed us closer to a 'no deal' Brexit position. That's the truth of the matter. Whether it's the NFU, whether it's Sainsbury's, Tesco, the society of motor manufacturers or Make UK, every single one of them supported the Prime Minister's withdrawal deal. You ignored them at that time and now you quote them selectively at the current time.

If I can ask a few questions on your statement. You made reference to the support that you're making available for businesses. Now, much of that support is only available, of course, via websites. You may not know this, of course, because not many of you have been in business, but businesspeople are extremely busy people. They have their businesses to run on a day-to-day basis. You cannot simply expect every small business person in the country to be seeking out information on Google in order to find your website somewhere on page 27 of the search results in order to get the advice that they might need. So, can I ask: what further steps are you taking to make sure that you are communicating with those small business people across Wales to make sure that they have the advice at their fingertips so that they know exactly what to do to prepare for 'no deal' Brexit, should that actually happen?

We know that one of the things that you've also put in place is the Brexit resilience fund, something that we welcome. Although it's a pretty meagre amount—less than £3 million, I think, altogether—in terms of the Brexit resilience fund, the slice that you've carved off for match funding for businesses to prepare for Brexit. Now, we know from answers in this Chamber on 10 July that that fund is oversubscribed. We know that there are more applications coming in than the Government is able to support. So, can you tell us exactly how many applications have come in, how many have been declined, and what you are doing in order to increase the capacity of that fund to support businesses to transition for all eventualities, including a 'no deal' Brexit?

Can you also tell us—? You've made mention of the fact that we need to be acting swiftly in order to prepare people for a Halloween Brexit, and yet the reality is that you're still sat on funds that you could be spending in order to help people prepare. You've said that you're going to make some more announcements over the summer. Well, whoopee-do, we'll be even closer to 31 October then, won't we? And people will not have the opportunity to be able to spend it properly in order that they can prepare. You need to be getting this cash out to people and getting this cash out to the public sector as well to prepare now, not waiting another few weeks so that you can catch some limelight over the summer recess period.

You made reference to legislative steps that might be necessary and you say that you've had some discussions with the UK Government about that, but you've not shed any light on what those legislative steps are or the timetable. I can see nothing at the moment on the future work timetable of this National Assembly to take forward any additional legislative steps, so perhaps you can tell us precisely what those legislative steps actually are, because I think it would be of interest to people who are watching this particular statement.

Can you also tell us, in terms of the EU transition fund, whether you're proposing to increase that? So, if we do end up in a situation where a 'no deal' Brexit is likely—and let me be clear, my party would rather have a deal that is good for the UK, good for Wales, and good for the EU—but if we're not going to be in that position because of the intransigence of the EU, then I would like to know what you're going to do in terms of that fund to increase its impact and to make sure that Wales is as best prepared as it possibly can be in all sectors—third sector, the public sector, and the private sector—so that we can make a success of whatever lies ahead.