5. Statement by the Counsel General and Brexit Minister: Brexit Preparedness

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 5:56 pm on 16 July 2019.

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Photo of David Rees David Rees Labour 5:56, 16 July 2019

Can I thank the Minister for his statement this afternoon? It's very much appreciated. I know we've often said that we keep hearing it, but it is important we keep being updated, particularly in a world in which what was said yesterday may no longer be valid today, and it is very fluid—not quite topsy-turvy, but moving very fast, changing very quickly—and I also appreciate the fact that the comments made from the two candidates don't help that situation. Only yesterday, Boris Johnson was clearly saying that, in fact, he wants the backstop removed totally, so he's changed his position even on that now. Once it was 'renegotiate'; now it's 'get rid of', and we all know that the European Union has categorically said that's not going to happen, so we are heading for a 'no deal' scenario, and I think he's just trying to find an excuse to justify his 'no deal' scenario on 31 October. If that's the case, we need to prepare for it, because clearly there are some serious issues that Wales has to address on that matter.

I suppose I want to ask some of my questions focusing on literally that preparedness, because you highlighted in your statement very much the scenarios we are operating under, the context we're in, and then went on to move a little bit about some of the issues you've addressed. But can I talk about freight licences and heavy goods vehicle licences, for example? It's one of the areas we've talked about before. We have many logistics companies within Wales; there's a limited number of permits that will be available, and in a 'no deal' scenario, we could be facing a very challenging situation for those companies. What discussions have you had with the UK Government on the allocation of permits to Welsh companies, to ensure that they can operate if there is a 'no deal' scenario on 1 November? Also, what discussions have you had with the UK Government regarding the ports? Because, again, if that happens, we're going to be in a situation where we'll have to have border controls and regulatory controls on our ports, to look at the situations. Some of those responsibilities are not with the Welsh Government; they're with the UK Government. And yet ports, actually, is responsible under the Welsh Government, so what discussions are you having to make sure that we're in that position where we don't have to have a problem awaiting because simply it hasn't been thought of?

I will mention the legalities of it, because you mentioned, just now, obviously, the emergency legislation that may have to come through. Have you done any analysis as to what types and what areas you will be looking at? Because, you were saying we need to be aware of it, but it's not just being aware of it; we need to be ready for it. So, what areas are you actually looking at now, and are you looking at those areas so that when we come back after the summer recess, you'll be able to tell us exactly in which areas you think emergency legislation may be needed if we're in that situation?

Also, can you discuss the warehouses? We've been told—your statement highlights the point clearly—the warehousing issue is going to be contentious, because businesses want to continue operating under their normal regulation on business. That means they will want their warehouse spaces for their own businesses. We know that the Welsh Government looked at warehousing prior to the 29 March date. Where are we with, perhaps, refrigerated warehouses for medicines, if we need that? What's the situation for other warehousing, if we need that, because you're now in a competition with major organisations wanting warehouse space? So, again, have you made movements towards that area yet?

I also want to know if you have discussed any of these issues with EU officials and other nations and regions across the EU, because as a nation we have had many memorandums of understanding and agreements with other regions and nations, and we will want to work with those in the situation when we leave the EU without a deal. So, I started to have discussions with those nations to see where they can help us as well because they will be on, technically, the other side of the argument. Also, do you agree with me—I am tired, really tired, of Members continuing to say 'EU intransigence'—that it is not EU intransigence; it is the failure of this Government in Westminster to actually get to grips with the actual solution? It's time that they actually got that message out. It's not EU intransigence; it is Conservative incompetence that has got us into this position, and we need to make sure that that message is loud and clear across the nation, because they are the ones who are holding us back. The two leading candidates at the moment are two of the largest proponents today of that failure.