5. Statement by the Chair of the External Affairs and Additional Legislation Committee: Brexit Priorities

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 3:56 pm on 17 July 2019.

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Photo of Alun Davies Alun Davies Labour 3:56, 17 July 2019

There has been a recklessness, a carelessness and an un-British care for the people of this country in the debate we've had over a 'no deal' Brexit. I care deeply about people in all of the communities of this country, not simply the community I represent. And it is not good enough for people simply to say, 'We will have a "no deal" exit and damn the costs, damn the consequences, and damn the futures of people's lives that we are wrecking.' That is not good enough in any debate at any time. Let me say that this is an un-British—[Interruption.] It is not simply a criminal carelessness, it is deeply un-British in your approach. So, I care deeply for the future of agriculture and for manufacturing. I care deeply for the communities that are sustained by those industries. I care deeply for the families that are sustained by that employment, and I will never, ever use my vote and my place in this place in order to undermine their futures.

But can we also say that we do need a real debate about the future of the United Kingdom. I'm grateful that the Minister has been able to join us for this conversation this afternoon, and I'm grateful also to the Minister for his remarks and his openness in attending committee, and not simply answering questions but actually seeking to have a conversation, a debate and a discussion with the committee. I think Members on all sides of the Chamber are grateful to the Minister for his approach.

But we are seeing a very profound change in the nature of the United Kingdom, the creation of new structures where I do not believe we have the certainty of openness, transparency and accountability that we require. I welcome many of the changes that are being seen, which will create a far more equal United Kingdom with home rule Parliaments, particularly here and in Edinburgh, taking decisions that will shape people's lives in our countries, but working together with the Parliament in Westminster in order to ensure that we have an equal arrangement where we are all able to contribute to the future of this UK.

I hope that part of that will be democratic oversight and scrutiny, and we need to work hard—and I may address some of my remarks to the Minister here. I think it's a matter for all of us, Presiding Officer, and perhaps even you as the Presiding Officer, to ensure that there is institutional democratic accountability within the United Kingdom that holds the structures that are being created by the common frameworks to account for their decisions.

Let me just make one final remark, and I know I'm testing the patience of the chair, if not other Members. It was Gwyn Alf Williams, of course, who famously asked, 'When was Wales?', and I think it's for us now to ask a similar question, but 'What will Wales be?' For me, this country's always been a country that has looked outwards and looked at the world and embraced the world. We experienced globalisation before anybody had coined the phrase. We understood what internationalism is, and here in this place, in Cardiff Bay, was one of the first metropolitan, cosmopolitan communities in the world. And we have a responsibility, I believe, not simply to play our full part within the United Kingdom and other structures, but we have a responsibility to work alongside the Welsh Government to ensure that Wales continues to be represented in international capitals and in international affairs. I hope that the Welsh Government will work alongside the UK Government and others to ensure that we strengthen Wales's position internationally on the international stage, and we strengthen Wales's representation across the world.

Presiding Officer, I'm grateful to you for allowing this statement this afternoon. I do believe it's essential that committees are able to bring these statements to the Chamber, and, with certain exceptions, I think we've had a very positive debate on this statement.