Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 3:07 pm on 5 September 2019.
Rhun ap Iorwerth and others have pointed out the importance of this debate today because of the impact of 'no deal' would be to hit—the poor would be hit hardest. It's not just the rural communities and our farmers who will be hit by this. What about the urban poor who would be without food if the food dries up as a result of 'no deal'? And, as Dai Lloyd has said, it would be be the most vulnerable who would die for the lack of flu injections and other medicines. So, I absolutely discount those who argue that this recall Parliament was window dressing and a waste of time—that is absolutely not the case. We're not here to debate the minutiae of Brexit; we are here to discuss the threat to democracy that is Boris Johnson's attempt to close down Parliament and to close down its scrutiny of his Government and the actions of Boris Johnson's Government to do things that would be harmful to the United Kingdom. That is why we are here today.
As Adam Price has said, dictatorships don't happen overnight. It's not so much the proroguing of Parliament for an extra two weeks that is the biggest threat—Charles I got away with that for over a decade—but, in case you missed it, Boris Johnson is now threatening to ignore whatever law the UK Parliament passes that prevents him crashing out of the EU without a deal. That aim is to put himself beyond the law. That is the act of a dictator, not a democrat. So, that is how serious it is.
And I think we should congratulate people like Guto Bebb and Antoinette Sandbach and all the other people who have put the interests of the country and their constituents before their own personal political ambitions. And it is distressing to see them cast aside by their party, a party, we are now told by Norman Baker—not known to be a progressive—dominated by 'swivel-eyed ideologues'—his words, not mine. I'm sure for many on the Conservative benches here in the National Assembly this is a deeply distressing and disturbing moment, but I think that Paul Davies's pitch that the Welsh Conservatives will deliver a negotiated settlement to leave the EU is unconvincing. I’m not convinced, as Andrew R.T. Davies is trying to say, that Boris Johnson wants a negotiated deal. In my view, sadly, Boris Johnson absolutely does not want a deal. He wants to leave the EU without a deal. Why? Because, for him, it is not about delivering what people thought they were voting for—remain or leave—no detail there on whether we want an autarchic economy, where we are completely self-sufficient, or whether we want to continue to be a trading nation. No, he wants to leave without a deal because he wants to do a deal with his friends across the Atlantic: Donald Trump and others. And they want to ensure that Britain is not encumbered—