7. Statement by the Counsel General and Brexit Minister: Brexit Update

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 4:56 pm on 17 September 2019.

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Photo of Darren Millar Darren Millar Conservative 4:56, 17 September 2019

If I could just remind the Minister today, in advance of thanking him for his statement, by the way, that there is an inconvenient truth that, for some reason, the Labour Party, the Liberal Democrats and Plaid Cymru in this Chamber do not want to recognise, and that is that the people of Wales voted to leave the European Union. I know that you don't like that. The people in your own constituency voted to leave the European Union by a majority, and in many of your constituencies across Wales in those places where you're advocating to remain.

Now, you're doing everything you can to frustrate the will of the people. You just referred—you just referred to the Prime Minister getting clear instructions from Parliament. What about the clear instructions from the people of the United Kingdom and Wales that were given to Parliament? It's about time we had some respect for the decision and the will of the people, and implemented the Brexit that people voted for.

Now, I can see all the—I can see all of the attempt to create panic amongst the public through project fear mark 2, which you seem to have embarked upon. We saw the very thin document that was published this week in terms of the preparation of the Welsh Government, and the assumptions that the Welsh Government are working to. But, of course, we heard all of the same predictions before, and this is why people are not persuaded by the arguments that you're putting forward. We heard these predictions before about what would happen on day 1 if we voted to leave the European Union, and not one of them has materialised—not one of them has materialised. So, I'm afraid I find it very, very difficult to hear the same old arguments rehearsed again in this Chamber by the Welsh Government, and there appears to be an even more determined effort these days to abolish the will of the people and overturn that democratic mandate that everybody should be focusing on implementing.

We heard just today that Plaid Cymru have joined the Brexit extremists in the Liberal so-called Democrats in wanting to actually just completely scrap Brexit even without a referendum. That's bizarre. Your position is bizarre because you want to try to negotiate a deal and then encourage people to vote against it in a referendum. I really don't know why you don't think that that's an unusual thing to be criticised by the European Union for, which is why, of course, they have been criticising it. So, I find it difficult to listen to the crocodile tears around the Chamber when it's abundantly clear that people want to leave, people want us to get on with it, they're fed up of waiting around, and that's why I'm wholeheartedly behind the Prime Minister in seeking to implement this decision by 31 October.

Now, nobody—nobody in this Chamber is aiming for a 'no deal'. Everybody would rather have a deal, but we're only one side of the bargaining table. The other side of the bargaining table appear to be a bloc of nation states who are refusing to budge in their intransigence in terms of amending the withdrawal agreement. Now, you say that you want some continuity, you say that you want some reassurance, you say that you want the ability for people to continue to trade, and, of course, all of that was wrapped up in the withdrawal agreement, which you all voted down consistently. So, we're in a position where we have a Prime Minister who is trying to deliver on the will of Parliament in trying to secure changes to the withdrawal agreement, and he's made it clear that if he cannot get those changes agreed then he's determined to leave without a deal if necessary.

Now, can I ask you some questions? You've made it clear—. You've suggested today that the Welsh Government supports a position whereby even if we leave the EU without a deal you feel we should pay that contribution of £39 billion, which I find very alarming indeed. Can you confirm that that is the Welsh Government's position? Because that's what you seemed to suggest when you talked about the need to honour financial commitments. Because those commitments, of course, are linked to the withdrawal agreement at the moment.

Do you accept that Parliament has been given clear instructions by the people of the United Kingdom, including the people of Wales, to leave the European Union? Do you accept—? You talk about constitutional implications of disobeying parliament, but what about the constitutional implications and complications that would be caused by not implementing the outcome of a referendum? It would be the first time in the history of the United Kingdom that the outcome of a referendum would not have been implemented.

And if I can turn to your document, if I will, that you published just the other day, one thing that you don't seem to refer to—and there's very little of an update, actually, in the text of your statement today—you don't refer to what is actually going on in terms of people accessing the support that's available from the Welsh Government. You've set a £50 million transition fund aside. Not all of that has been allocated yet. I mean, how close do we have to get to the date before you actually start allocating this money and getting it out of the door into the pockets of the organisations that need to prepare for Brexit? Can we have an update on that? That would have been more useful than the claptrap that we've heard this afternoon.

Can you tell us also how many businesses have accessed the Business Wales Brexit portal? Because I don't think many people are accessing it, frankly. I mean, you can put me right if you want to. I'll be happy to—. If that's the case, I'll be happy if many thousands have and are actually not just clicking on it once but actually using the website in order to access the support that they need.