5. Statement by the Deputy Minister for Housing and Local Government: Building on Wales's recycling record

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 5:19 pm on 24 September 2019.

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Photo of Hannah Blythyn Hannah Blythyn Labour 5:19, 24 September 2019

I thank the Member for the question. I obviously want to start by offering my congratulations to St Teilo’s school for what sounds like an absolutely fantastic initiative, and one that’s to be very rightly applauded and recognised for the work that they’ve been taking. There are so many examples of such enthusiasm and ideas from young people in secondary and primary schools right across the country. I think it’s really important, as we move forward with our work, that we look at how we can best share this best practice, so we can see it replicated in schools in counties across Wales. I think schools, eco schools and secondary schools have a role to play not just in raising awareness and teaching young people about the importance of recycling and reducing waste, but also actually practically what can we do within schools themselves, which not only benefits the environment but could bring other benefits for schools in terms of cost reductions as well. 

With regard to crisp wrappers, the Member has struck on the point that it is a particularly—those kind of flimsy, confectionery-type wrappers are the ones that are currently quite difficult to recycle. I know there are some schemes that do recycle, particularly, crisp packets, because I know of a school in my constituency, not far from where I live, that does have their own scheme of recycling, sending them off to a business. But it's certainly something, in terms of producer responsibility, to look at—how we can best incorporate those things that are the things that are currently hard to recycle and hard to reach.

With regard to a deposit-return scheme, now we're just working on it, and, actually, there'll be a further consultation in terms of, actually, the actual detail of how that would work in practice, working with all the stakeholders and all the people who'll be involved, as well as the campaign groups and local authorities as well. I've said from the outset that what we want to make sure is that we have a system in Wales that works—complements what we already do. So, complements—. Like we've said, we've seen the mindset change in people who sort their waste at home for collection, so actually how we best—for people to continue that, because what we don't want is for people to then think, 'Well, I used to be able to have it collected at home, and now I've got to go somewhere else, and do I get in the car, and then does that increase my carbon footprint as well?' So, actually, to look at it holistically and all those practical elements, and one way to do it might be to look at actually how we can use digital technology to help us with that as well: are there digital methods we can use, rather than physical tokens for things, as part of that? So, I'm really keen to get into the detail of that as we take that work forward. 

You're obviously right in terms of businesses playing their part—and public bodies—in terms of actually how we separate waste. It was remiss of me not to touch on that in response to Andrew R.T. Davies's first question in terms of, actually, how we bring businesses with us. I think a lot of businesses are already making their own efforts to do this, because they recognise the need to do it, and, actually, there's probably some kind of—you know, they know that probably their clients and consumers want it as well, because of the strength of public opinion. But, absolutely, we need to work closely with businesses and take them with us. As with the other consultations into the area that I've overseen, such as the deposit-return scheme and extended producer responsibility, I'm keen to hold sessions with stakeholders as well as we move forward. Obviously, there will be a transition period to allow businesses to make those steps, to make the adaptations they need to be able to take this forward. 

Just finally on the question on food waste, clearly, it's something that would need to be explored further, but I do know that—. For example, I visited not too long ago an anaerobic digestion site in north Wales—it was actually where my own food waste would go to—and the bulk of the food waste there goes to power electricity, energy for electricity. They were talking about, if you lived in a certain circumference of the site and you put your kettle on, it's probably likely to be powered by some of your own food waste. But also they actually use—they take the liquid as organic fertiliser as well, which local farmers do use in the local vicinity. So, there are things that we can—you know, how we can incorporate the two as well.