7. Brexit Party Debate: The UK and the EU

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 5:58 pm on 25 September 2019.

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Photo of Rhun ap Iorwerth Rhun ap Iorwerth Plaid Cymru 5:58, 25 September 2019

This motion expresses support for

'Wales’s membership of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and its indefinite continuance.'

I'm afraid that we on these Plaid Cymru benches can't sign up to that. Why? Firstly, I think we're more than likely discussing a hypothetical. It would be foolish in the extreme, I believe, to fully commit ourselves in perpetuity to a state that is perhaps unlikely to exist in its current form for very long. Scottish independence seems to me to be pretty inevitable in the coming years, and the rapidly moving picture regarding Irish unity is one that is likely, I think, to do nothing other than gather pace in coming months and years. So, not only are we talking about a hypothetical, we're also being asked to vote on something that could well be beyond our control. We could, of course, choose to commit ourselves to being a servile annex to England in a post-Scottish independence, post-Irish unity world, but the recent upsurge in interest in the independence question here in Wales suggests that's becoming a less and less attractive proposition to an awakening Welsh public.

So, by all means, let's—[Interruption.] Of course.