Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 4:22 pm on 15 October 2019.
Could I thank David Melding for that? I recognise, absolutely, the length of his engagement in these matters, together with the former First Minister. Some of us here remember waiting on a monthly basis for the latest chapter in a Charles Dickens-like effort to build up the case for federalism. We don't use the word 'federalism' in this paper, and that was deliberate, although of course a federal approach would be part of a constitutional convention, as it was 100 years ago. And some of the points that David Melding has made about the need for a precise understanding of sovereignty, including where it's located, how it's understood and how it's exercised, would have to be part of that debate.
Of course, it was interesting to hear David Melding's first opening remark, because we know that there are a huge plurality of identities here in Wales. Anybody who follows the work of Professor Richard Wyn Jones will know that people who live in Wales describe their identity in a huge variety of ways, but that's partly why I think rooting your defence of the United Kingdom in an identity description is—the shifting sands are underneath you and it's not where I start from in my attachment to the United Kingdom.
The House of Lords, absolutely, is ripe for reform. We put it here as one of the building blocks because a different United Kingdom, one that has the components of success, has to include reform of the House of Lords. And while the Senate in the United States is not an exact parallel for us, we argue for a non-population-based make-up of the House of Lords so that it is better able to represent the constituent parts of the United Kingdom.