Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 5:35 pm on 16 October 2019.
Diolch, Dirprwy Lywydd. I thank Members for their contributions. Mark Drakeford—sorry, Mark Isherwood—stressed—[Laughter.] It's very difficult to confuse the two, Dirprwy Lywydd—it must be an indication of tiredness, I think. Mark Isherwood stressed the social model of disability in considering these matters, and that's certainly something that came through loud and clear in the evidence that we took in our work as a committee. There's no doubt that that concept of the social model of disability—that approach—must underlie everything that takes place with regard to these very important issues. We know that it is the way that society organises itself, or doesn't organise itself, that's absolutely vital to the quality of life and the ability of people with disabilities to lead the independent life that they rightly aspire to. That really must underpin our consideration of all of these issues.
Dirprwy Lywydd, let me just reflect on the Government's response, which the Minister has just rehearsed and other Members have mentioned. As was said, initially, Welsh Government rejected nine out of our 19 recommendations. We made further points to Welsh Government by way of letter, as a committee, and then a further three recommendations were accepted in principle. We then wrote again making further points, and then, in a further response from Welsh Government, the Minister accepted that there may be other ways of addressing some of those matters.
So, although the committee was disappointed at the initial response, and remains disappointed that not more of the recommendations were accepted, I think it is fair to say that we have had engagement with the Minister and we have seen movement from the Minister, and, indeed, we've had further reassurance today. So, yes, the committee is disappointed, but we have had a dialogue and we have seen some progress.
With regard to Dawn Bowden's point on that particular matter, which Dawn is absolutely right in saying that we didn't have evidence on as a committee—so, where there is a delay in renewal it then takes some time to deal with the matter, in the interim period the badge could continue, allowing the badge holder to continue to enjoy the concessions that it brings. I hear what the Minister said in response and, as a committee, we look forward also to keeping tabs on that.
I think Jenny Rathbone raised some interesting matters in terms of badge holders themselves, perhaps, not always understanding the importance of their behaviour when it comes to disability and people—wheelchair users, for example—using those dropped pavements. Strangely enough, I met with a group from Knighton, who, as a group of people with disabilities—a user group—were very helpful with the committee's work in facilitating a focus group and continue to be keenly engaged. They, in fact, made that very point that Jenny Rathbone made—that it is, in fact, blue badge holders themselves who, in Knighton, too often park to obstruct dropped pavements, and they're continually reminding everyone of those issues.
So, we did talk about awareness-raising campaigns and communication, and, again, that's something that the Minister mentioned. We do need to continually make the appropriate points and try and ensure, as often as possible, that people do understand these issues and behave appropriately. There might be a role for television campaigns and wider awareness raising if we are to be as effective as we need to be on those points.
Dirprwy Lywydd, the Minister, I think rightly acknowledged the importance of these matters and getting the balance right so that we extend the benefits of the scheme as much as possible, but we're mindful of the fact that, if that was to go too far, it would diminish the value of the scheme to existing badge holders and those who will become badge holders under the current criteria. We are cognisant of that balance, and we look forward to the updates from the Minister so that we can assess further whether that balance is being struck appropriately.
Dirprwy Lywydd, I see that my time has expired. Let me just say in conclusion that this scheme really does matter because, as the Minister again pointed out, in Wales particularly, a high proportion of the population are blue badge holders. So, it's absolutely crucial that we get this scheme right. It does make a significant contribution to quality of life for those badge holders here in Wales.