First, I'd like to thank Dawn Bowden for giving me a minute in this debate, and more importantly, for bringing this debate before the Chamber today. People will know that I have been a long-time advocate and great supporter of the growth of co-operative housing. There are three types of co-operative housing: the building co-operatives—Turkey, France, Toronto in Canada; owner co-operatives—Italy, southern and eastern Europe, Germany, Sweden, Norway, Austria, USA, especially in New York, and Israel—and in New York, actually having a co-operative, you can live in some of the most sought-after properties in New York; and renter co-operatives in Denmark, Germany, Belgium, Italy, Switzerland, Ireland, Australia, Austria, USA and Canada.

What sort of numbers are we talking about? Turkey: 25 per cent of the total housing stock, almost 1.5 million units; Sweden: 18 per cent of the stock, almost 0.75 million units. And then we can look at other countries. Norway: 15 per cent, 320,000 units; Germany: 10 per cent of the rental stock, over 2 million units; Austria: 8 per cent of the total stock, almost 0.33 million. We're talking about very large numbers here and it can be done in the rest of the world. It's not a left-wing or right-wing view. In New York, if you told them they were living in left-wing housing in those very expensive co-operatives, they would go potty. They'd be really annoyed, wouldn't they? But, you've really got to understand that it is a method of providing large numbers of housing, which we aren't using in Wales at the moment, and whilst I, as I said earlier, am really a great fan of council housing, we need more housing, and co-operatives are another form of it. Why can't we do the same in Wales as they're doing across the whole of the rest of the world?