11. Plaid Cymru Debate: Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board's New Rotas

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 5:49 pm on 6 November 2019.

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Photo of Llyr Gruffydd Llyr Gruffydd Plaid Cymru 5:49, 6 November 2019

Well, I didn't in any way there hear any regret or remorse about the fact that we got to where we got to on this issue. An apology might have been nice, yes, or at least some acknowledgement that it shouldn't have come to this—a second debate in this Chamber asking for that principle to establish that these proposals should not go forward. The Minister tells us it's an operational matter, but if it's wrong, then you should say so. That's what Unite the Union are saying, that's what the RCN are saying, that's what Plaid Cymru has been saying, that's what the nurses and the patients have been saying. And you're saying you don't want to get involved. There we are, that's your decision, but I think people will read into that what they wish. And then, in responding to some of the comments, you say that we should ask trade unions about how we operate here in Wales. Well, my previous comment stands, I think—the unions are telling you what they think about this proposal and they absolutely do not want it to happen.