8. The Public Health (Minimum Price for Alcohol) (Minimum Unit Price) (Wales) Regulations 2019

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 4:58 pm on 12 November 2019.

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Photo of Vaughan Gething Vaughan Gething Labour 4:58, 12 November 2019

Thank you, Deputy Presiding Officer, and thank you to both the Welsh Conservatives and Plaid Cymru for indicating their support today for the regulations that have been brought forward in my name.

I'll happily deal with a number of the points that were made by both speakers. To be fair, Angela Burns has consistently raised issues about evaluation and impact during the passage of the Bill, as it then was, during scrutiny, and I'm happy to recommit myself to the assurances that have been given, both about the understanding of the data on the impact on consumer behaviour and, indeed, if there are any trends that do emerge about the potential for substitution. There's been a recent report that, again, has a hypothesis of what might happen, rather than what actually has happened. Given that Scotland are a year ahead, if we are going to see trends in that area, we're likely to see them in a range of areas, including the potential for substitution. So, I'm happy to indicate that, not just during the passage of the Bill, but since implementation in Scotland as well, officials in the two Governments in Wales and Scotland continue to work in a very open and constructive manner, and that's a real strength in the way that our public health teams and the two Governments have been able to work.

In terms of the points about alcohol treatment and support services, you'll be aware that I recently confirmed a 10 per cent increase in the available funding for front-line services. We recognise that there's a need to continue to review the provision we are able to make within our budget to understand the level of need that exists and how effective those services are, as well. Because this is part of a broader conversation on choices that we all make as citizens: how much we eat, how much we drink, how much we move. These are all key parts, together with smoking, in our own health outcomes, but we do recognise there's a significant challenge for us in alcohol use.

And in terms of the broader point that Dai Lloyd makes about reviewing the level of minimum unit pricing, we again went through this in the passage of the Act, and I'm happy to point out again that it will be a matter of changing regulations to review the level of the minimum unit price. Because I do recognise that a price considered over the last few years and set in regulations from the start of March, should the Assembly agree it, will have a different impact in another two, three, four and five years hence. So, we will openly review whether there's a need to revise the level of the minimum unit price, and we'll be able to do that by regulation. That is absolutely part of what we'll consider.

And the final point, to finish on, is this broader point about considering the impact of the new regime. We've seen in Scotland it's had a real impact already. The lowest level of alcohol consumption in Scotland took place last year. It's the equivalent of 19 units per adult per week. There is a gap of 9 per cent in terms of pure alcohol sold in Scotland—they have 9 per cent higher than England and Wales—and that is the smallest difference since 2003. So, we can see it having a real impact.

The evaluation we're committed to doing under the passage of the Act will be brought forward, and I want to reassure Members there will be an opportunity for Members, with the sunset clause, to consider whether to continue with this regime, should the regulations be passed today.