Part of 4. Topical Questions – in the Senedd at 3:17 pm on 20 November 2019.
We've written out to all higher education institutions in Wales. I've written to all local authorities, so Kirsty Williams has written to all HEIs. I was pleased to see the response from Cardiff, but we have asked all of the vice-chancellors across Wales to provide us with similar information. We have been doing quite a lot of work before the Bolton fire, you will be reassured to know, where we've been in contact with everyone that we were able to be in contact with. I can't say that that's absolutely everybody, because we aren't necessarily certain that we've got quite everybody. But we've written out to all high-rise building owners and managing agents, where we have the contact details, highlighting to them the relevant findings from the recent Grenfell phase 1 inquiry report and asking them to ensure that their residents are clear on what action they should take in the event of a fire.
The unfortunate events of last weekend in Bolton are a timely reminder to us all of the need to ensure the highest levels of attention are paid to fire safety in residential property, particularly in high-rise properties with multiple occupants. David Melding will know that the investigation is ongoing as to exactly what happened at the Cube, but what's already apparent is that the dynamic management of potential risk is key to ensuring the safety of residents in the event of a fire. Whilst that fire was devastating and did look—the pictures of it crawling up the outside were particularly awful, considering what we all now know about Grenfell, but it does show that people were able to evacuate safely. It doesn't take anything away from the devastating loss of personal possessions and so on, but they were able to evacuate, and it does show that the current system, although flawed, does work.
Greater Manchester Fire and Rescue Service raised concerns about the building with the managing agents, who took appropriate measures to revise their evacuation strategy ahead of putting in place remediation work. So, actually, they had done the right thing, and, fortunately, the residents were able to get out very safely on that night, although, as I say, that's not to take away the devastation of any fire.
On the night of that fire, the fire service responded with speed, fighting not only the fire quickly and efficiently, but also supporting a safe and swift evacuation. Fortunately, as I said, although the loss of personal possessions is always devastating, injuries were minimal.
What's important to understand is that—so, we've written out to everybody to say this—dynamic fire systems need to be in place. I'm not a personal expert in this, of course, so we've got our fire safety chiefs looking at this and writing and ensuring that building managers and owners are dynamic in their response to fire safety. So, my understanding of this is that it is, where compartmentation has worked, still the right thing to stay put, but buildings need to be inspected very regularly indeed to make sure that is still the right advice, and, if it isn't the right advice, then what to do if the compartmentation—that's really hard to say—has failed or is thought to be inadequate in any way.
I'd just like to reiterate the point that containing and extinguishing a fire in a flat where it occurs is safer than organising a mass evacuation, especially in high-rise buildings, where firefighting rescues can be particularly challenging and where evacuating large numbers of people via a single staircase can impede the firefighting effort coming up the building and create its own risks of crushing and trampling. All new and converted blocks of flats have long been constructed so that they have more than one exit in that way, so that we have a route for the fire people to get in and an evacuation route as well.
But 'stay put' reflects the intrinsic fabric of all high-rise residential buildings; it is not the policy of the fire and rescue services, the Government or anyone else. It has kept countless residents of flats safe over the years. There's no evidence at all so far from the Grenfell Tower inquiry that would justify a change to that general approach other than to say that we need a dynamic response to that, and, if there is evidence that the compartmentation of a building is compromised, the response may need to shift very rapidly from 'stay put' to 'evacuate'.