8. Debate: The General Principles of the Health and Social Care (Quality and Engagement) (Wales) Bill

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 4:24 pm on 26 November 2019.

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Photo of Llyr Gruffydd Llyr Gruffydd Plaid Cymru 4:24, 26 November 2019

(Translated)

Thank you very much, Deputy Presiding Officer. I'm pleased to contribute to this debate. The Finance Committee, of course, has made nine recommendations. The committee heard from the Minister that the Bill is about leading cultural change and is required to introduce a series of reforms to strengthen health and social services. He said that it wasn't possible to put a monetary value on every single part of the change.

Now, the Finance Committee accepts that the benefits of the Bill may be varied and difficult to quantify, but we have highlighted on numerous occasions the importance of the fact that regulatory impact assessments should contain the best estimate possible for the costs and benefits of a Bill in order to ensure that the committee is able to fully scrutinise the overall financial implications. We have, therefore, recommended that the Welsh Government undertakes further work analysing and estimating the benefits of the Bill, which are identified as key drivers for implementing the legislation, and I acknowledge the comments that the Minister made to that end in opening this debate.

The committee is pleased that the health sector has been involved in developing training materials on the duty of candour, and we believe that this will aid the cultural change that the Bill is seeking to achieve.

However, we are concerned that the Minister considers that it's feasible for NHS bodies to absorb the additional costs that will be imposed on them as a result of the Bill, particularly as the regulatory impact assessment does not quantify all costs to fall on NHS bodies. We recommend, therefore, that further information on the additional costs should be included in the RIA, once again.