Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 4:45 pm on 27 November 2019.
I'll address the choices that we have to make as a nation, and immediately, Wales's liabilities change. I'm quite certain, for example, that an independent Wales wouldn't wish to fund nuclear weapons, for example, and we are paying our share of that notionally, currently.
Now, situations change in a different context with Wales as an independent nation, but, crucially, look carefully at our fiscal position and you realise that so much of the deficit is locked into paying for our poverty. We're locked into a system that convention tells us we can't break out of. We can't even consider it—can't entertain the idea because we're too poor, and we always need to remain poor in order to keep on benefiting from the benevolence of successive Labour and Conservative Governments at Westminster.
Well, colleagues, I've never accepted that convention, and more and more people are rejecting that convention. We have two options: to accept our lot, our underperformance, our poverty, as being inevitable, or we can chart a new course. So, support our amendment today if you, like us, believe in the latter.